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In today's main news you will see the council has drawn up a 10 point plan to tackle the yob culture on our streets.

They are asking for the public to contribute their views.

What would WWW readers add to the 10 point plan?

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points two and six are pretty much the same point, just different wording.

the same with points one and three, it's just the same old rubbish!

In fact everything in it has been said before, and not acted seriously on.

Is this list supposed to make us feel safe? Some silly make-believe christmas-wish-list of things that won't happen in Warrington?

I suppose Ian Marks has to make it look like he's doing something productive, with all the bad press Warrington's been getting lately - but it might have been something new and relevant, or at the very least achieveable.

 

I can pretty much guarantee Ian Marks has never partied in his life.

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In what way will the "Bridge Street" measures help reduce the incidence of under-age drinking and anti-social behaviour in the suburbs? So why bring the Newloves into the equation?

 

Publicity powder-puff stuff. Load of rubbish to deflect knee-jerk public opinion.

 

[ 05.03.2008, 09:57: Message edited by: JimmyMac ]

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I agree with JimmyMac....

 

WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF WARRINGTON !!!!!!!!!! :roll:

 

Waste of time as most of the idiots would probably not be bothered about being named and shamed.

 

Surely a much tougher approach is needed and on a much wider scale.

 

Tougher penalties, more sentencing, locking the idiots up, give them huge fines etc etc.... GET TOUGH !!!

 

Shut ALL the clubs and bars earlier !

 

New Synergy nightclub wants to stay open until 6am... WHY ????

 

The 'Party' may be over in the town centre ,although how they expect to police every inch of the town centre every night is questionable.....but the 'Party' will still carry on elsewhere :redmad:

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For starters, rescind the 6 am closing time.

IF you can't drink enough by midnight, do so at home.

WHY should people going to work for a 6 or 7 o'clock start be put in a position when going about their normal business, of being abused or even attacked?

 

The council exacerbated the situation by agreeing to longer opening hours. It is now time to get back to sensible times.

NONE of the ten points will encourage non drinkers and families back into town.

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As far as I am concerned the town centre can be left to look after itself. If people want to get legless, leave them where they lie; if drunks want to fight let them get on with it. The police shouldn't be concerned with self harm they should operating in areas where they can stop the drunks & druggies harming other people.

The goverment should also take away the constraints that stop the police from actually policing.

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Can't really remember at what point clubbing at 5am in the morning became popular. I can remember going to the pub for pre clubbing drinks up to about 8pm and then into the Carlton or the Lion until midnight. Even the odd all nighter at Wigan Casino or The Torch were unusual and normally alcohol free. Then the overseas package holidays became popular and it was the norm there for clubs to carry on till 2am at least and for hotels to serve drinks with meals and around the pool. That was clearly a European thing and something that the youth demanded should be continued over here. Supermarkets opening until 11pm and on Sundays meant that drink was freely available at any time, add to that the 'recently' popular bar b q and that gave many a reason to start drinking from tea time. 24 hour drinking was introduced, again in comparison to the rest of Europe and that was the perfect excuse - If we are allowed to drink for 24 hours then we need to open the pubs and clubs for 24 hours. As a result of all this drinking we have raised a generation of 'little darlings' some of whom have known little else apart from seeing their parents drinking or getting drunk and who in turn see nothing wrong in allowing their offspring to do the same.

 

So there you have it I blame Europe :wink:

 

Suggestions include

Pubs to shut at 11pm

Clubs at midnight

No alcohol to be sold in Supermarkets on Sundays.

Parents of any child found drinking in a public place fined ?1000 (first offence)

Any child found drinking or drunk in a public place transported to a remote Scottish Island and left there (second offence)

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I was watching The Wright Stuff yesterday (I don't watch it normally) and it was said that Italy have a higher percentage of binge drinkers than the UK but not the problems we have. I think the excuse "I was drunk, I can't remeber" has given People an excuse to behave like animals, not that they need one but it's like because your legless, purely by their own choice, then they don't have to accept full reponsability for their actions. If you make the decision to get drunk then you take the full consequnce of your actions.

 

Don't know if it shows but I'm Tea total. :roll:

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This thread amply illustrates the problem. What is it that we are trying to solve?

 

Are we trying to solve anti-social behaviour by kids in the suburbs? In which case we need to ensure that there are better controls on the sale of alcohol from off-licences and supermarkets, that children are given activities to keep them off the streets, and that parents are made to take more responsibility over their children's behaviour.

 

Or are we trying to cut down on grown-ups being sick in the town centre and occasionally getting into drunken brawls with one another? Which is a completely different problem, and arguably not as great as the other. If you go into any town centre in an evening and hang around the bars which have a reputation for being loud and unruly, then you should already be aware of the potential risks involved.

 

A six am nightclub license is not going to mean people drinking until six am. I would suspect the only drinks available from the bar after four am will be water. If people want to be able to dance and party until six am in the morning, there shouldn't be anything stopping them provided that they do not impinge on anyone else's rights. We are meant to be grown-ups after all?

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Originally posted by wolfie:

So there you have it I blame Europe :wink:

 

And they recall more peaceful times when our drunken yobs of all ages and both sexes weren't rolling around drunk in their gutters.

 

When I worked in France in the late 70s, the foundry's works canteen served wine at lunch, most workers including me drank it...nobody was ever drunk...all a question of moderation, responsibility and being able to handle ones drink.

 

Must admit hardly drink much alcohol at all now...good job I had my share when I was younger. :wink:

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Each society has written and unwritten rules, the unwritten are the social norms of a society. The only way to change this is for the adults to show and enforce that being drunk is not acceptable.

 

But then, their being drunk should not be acceptable either. When society looks at the drunken drugged people as being unacceptable, then society will change and not until then no matter how many laws are made.

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Get on and enforce them, there is nothing new here. The town is made up of late night ~ early morning drinking dens. Full of excitement for the yobs. It is a town where drunken yobs are allowed to rule the streets with their disgusting behaviour.

It has been allowed to get like this over many years so what is going to change to put it back to a decent town. Where people can walk out at night without getting verbally and physically abused or intimidated.

Get some of the dens (Pubs) shut down. Cut some of the noise. Zero tolerance to drunks, Licensee?s reported for serving drunks with more alcohol.

Magistrates out on the streets to deal with offences there and then, issue closure orders etc. With less police numbers due to government cuts I dont know who else is going to do the enforcement. Better call in the AA, RAC, RSPCA.

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Observer is right, Drastic action is needed now before its to late !

Any party that advocates bringing back the birch, hanging and stiffer jail sentences would get my vote !

I am fed up with the pussy footing attitude thats invading our political parties,

If Ian Marks thinks that his 10 point plan has the idiots quaking in their boots then he is living in cuckoo land.

Its time the gloves came off :D

 

[ 06.03.2008, 07:59: Message edited by: Agamemnon ]

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Originally posted by Paul Kennedy:

When I worked in France in the late 70s, the foundry's works canteen served wine at lunch, most workers including me drank it...nobody was ever drunk...all a question of moderation, responsibility and being able to handle ones drink.

Paul,

 

they used to server free Guiness at the Factory canteen near Runcorn back in the 80's/90's. I worked there for a few days as a contract sparky (on secondment from the second battallion of the Kellogs branch!!)

 

There were taps serving water and coke and stuff and a Guiness tap. Some of the lads I worked with couldn't get enough of the stuff!

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I would ban all shops from selling booze, except for propper off licences, who's licences would be strictly enforced, they would also have to close at 6pm to stop late night top ups once your planned drinking had ran out.

 

just like paracetamol, you will be allowed to buy a maximum of 8 Cans or 2 bottles of wine or 1 half bottle sized short per individual sale.

 

The prices would not be taxed heavily it would be the same as the rest of europe, drink is there to enjoy moderately, why should responsible drinkers have to pay for those that are dumb asses.

 

as said before individuals over the age of 18 would be given booze buying licences (actualy previously I said it was the one good use for identity cards) photo IDs. If you ever get prosicuted for drunken asbo, or buying for minors (children not coal diggers) your right to buy booze gets removed from your ID card, for life.

 

I rekon that should do it.

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  • 3 weeks later...
Originally posted by Agamemnon:

And Jimmymac , Do you really think that the new night club will serve only water after 4 am instead of profitable booze ???? I think not

It's certainly been a condition of licence in some of the late club nights I've been to - ones that would normally be finished by 4am do not serve alcoholic drinks for the last hour or two.

 

All depends on what the application licence is actually for - a figure of 6am has been bandied about but I have no idea whether it is accurate or not.

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I totally agree with all the posts by people who are absolutely fed up and disgusted by the drink culture in Warington and all the problems and distress caused. Unfortunately, we are achieving nothing with all our comments apart from making a very interesting read. The same happens over every issue, whether it is traffic, over development, travellers etc. etc. All we do (and I am as guilty as everyone)is to air our opinions to whoever reads posts on the site. Isn't it about time that all the people of Warrington, who want to reclaim a decent lifestyle, got together and told our councillors and the Government that "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH". I am sure that, if petitions were organised in all areas of Warrington, thousands of signatures would be obtained! The Council would not dare ignore such a demonstration of feelings. Who knows, with the proper publicity, how many towns this could spread to.

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Observer, a very eloquent reply but once again, what are we both achieving.............NOTHING !!

Actions speak better than words and unless we act in some way then we may as well save our breath and get on with our lives, let those in power get on with it and hope for the best.

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