Priti poor performance -

[Observer II]

Yet more boat migrants crossing the channel into the UK, being "rescued" by UKBF and RNLI and taxied into Dover.   Apparently no need for covid passports or indeed any form of ID;  then placed in four star hotel accomodation , with free meals, while (in theory) their bogus asylum claims enter a Home Office black hole.   Then, when an effort is made to deport them, mainly on the basis that they are convicted criminals,  6% of them are programmed for flights out, until the HR lawyers arrive with spurious, last minute legal claims to block their departure.  The laws being abused and used are of course of the "Human Rights" variety and based on current legislation and international treaties, signed up to by past UK Governments.   So isn't it time that a new law was passed through Parliament, that revoked ALL previous HR legislation and Treaties, and enabled Gov to deport illegal migrants  and allowed the physical measures necessary to prevent illegal access into the UK ?    On the horizon in Poland we have a new wave of illegal migrants wanting to walk through Europe, no doubt many en route to the UK, no doubt manufactured by Beloruss and Russia, who are aware of the soft woke response of the EU and UK.   Boris was right about it being akin to the Barbarian migrations into the Roman Empire and it's eventual fall.; seems we never learn from history.    😠

[Latchford Locks]

While they wait for a decision on their cases just put them to work to pay for their lodgings and food.

Plenty of menial work out there not requiring any particular skills.

Clearing fly tipped rubbish is a start

And if they refuse ? ..... jail them as illegal immigrants;  or offer a ticket back to Europe their choice.

 

[Observer II]

Give it time Latch, they'll be asking them to fill the vacancies in our Hospitals and Care Homes -  I predict.   😠

[Latchford Locks]

22 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Give it time Latch, they'll be asking them to fill the vacancies in our Hospitals and Care Homes -  I predict.   😠

Don't be giving Boris ideas 😲

[Observer II]

Well, it seems Boris is taking the Tory Party prospects down into the sewer with him. Latest polling puts Starmer and Labour in the lead.  But the irony is, that the liberals will do the opposite of public opinion on the main issues of today.   IE. surrender on illegal migration, N/I protocol, woke culture, so voters will just move from the frying pan into the fire.  Such is our electoral system and the fickle nature of the electorate.    😠

[Observer II]

Just watched Politics Live, with a discussion on the "migrant crisis";  not one of the panel supported turning back the migrants at sea, thus preventing them reaching the UK;  the Labour MP was advocating a switch to "safe routes", meaning we allow them in.  Clearly the MPs and the London centric media are completely at odds with the public view, that this invasion has to be repelled at sea, and if that proves dangerous for the migrants, so be it; it's they who place themselves in peril, just like the idiots who sit down in a roadway.   It's no wonder that Russia and China are becoming emboldened in challenging the West, as they clearly consider us as woke and soft.    😠

[ninearches]

On health & safety grounds we should collect the migrants from France in cross channel ferries then take them back through the Med to Greece where the dinghies can be used to put them ashore.

[Observer II]

Seems French Police have just broken up the migrant camp at Calais (again).   Now if these "migrants" are claiming to be "asylum seekers"; why aren't they applying for asylum in France, and if they fail to do that, why aren't the French deporting them ?   Now we've had a terror bombing in Liverpool,  where "asylum seekers" have been mentioned, but no details on the news. If it is the case that the perpetrators were in fact "illegal migrants"; surely HMG should take a more draconian response to the boat crossings, and the UKBF and RNLI, should be returning them to French ports ?      😠

[Evil Sid]

15 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Now we've had a terror bombing in Liverpool,  where "asylum seekers" have been mentioned, but no details on the news

just watching the news on itv. the guy was an asylum seeker and had converted to christianity, it was also mentioned that he had been suffering from mental health problems. so maybe a terrorist attack or maybe  just one lone "nutter" listening to the voices in his head.

18 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Now if these "migrants" are claiming to be "asylum seekers"; why aren't they applying for asylum in France,

because the french would blockade the ports if they did.....🤦‍♀️

[Latchford Locks]

18 minutes ago, Observer II said:

  Now we've had a terror bombing in Liverpool,  where "asylum seekers" have been mentioned, but no details on the news. If it is the case that the perpetrators were in fact "illegal migrants"; surely HMG should take a more draconian response to the boat crossings, and the UKBF and RNLI, should be returning them to French ports ?      🤨

Seems a case of Stable Door /Bolted/Horse to me 😏

18 minutes ago, Observer II said:

 

 

[Bill]

The problem as I see it is that few politicians want to speak out on the issue for fear of being branded a racist or unsympathetic to the plight of refugees and so their focus is on the safety and wellbeing of those making the crossings. In early October when Mrs Patel talked of turning back the boats, the tongue-tied MPs applauded her but since that time it’s gone very quiet while the numbers continue to break records.

There must be a solution to the problem that doesn’t make this country appear brutal but it’s taking a long time for the government to find it. Maybe it’s because this has already been going on for so long that there seems to be no sense of urgency. If it were up to me, I’d get the job done then deal with any repercussions rather than endlessly debating every conceivable problem before taking any action.

Mrs Patel’s promise of action didn’t contain the most important words, how and when, so I suspect we won’t be seeing any action taken for quite some time.

 

Bill 😊

[ninearches]

The problem of asylum seekers & economic migration would be most eradicated by raising the standards of living in & removing the brutality from their homelands. Surely the UN could find a set of false teeth to help it to achieve those aims.

[Observer II]

The only solution has to be brutal and appear inhumane to the snowflakes, because physical prevention works, as it worked for the Australians in the past.  This is now the number one issue with the public,  and the politicians are totally lagging behind public opinion - come back Nigel ffs.    😠

[Confused52]

24 minutes ago, Observer II said:

 This is now the number one issue with the public,  and the politicians are totally lagging behind public opinion - come back Nigel ffs.    😠

No it isn't. From a YouGov poll of 1732 Adults on 15 Nov 21

Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three.   Health 50% The economy 41% The environment 39% Immigration & Asylum 29% Britain leaving the EU 29% Housing 17% Crime 15% Education 12% Welfare benefits 10% Defence and security 8% Tax 7% Pensions 7% Family life & childcare 4% Don't know 4% Transport 3% None of these 1%
each participant could choose up to three topics so the the percentages add up to more than 100, in fact 276%
I would add that climate change isn't on anyone's mind.

[Bill]

I think climate change would come under the heading of environment, putting it into the top three areas of concern but a national poll across all age groups is bound to throw up results vastly different than if it were done on an old beggar’s forum like this.

Speaking from personal experience around the dinner table, health issues tend to top the list with covid, illegal immigration and climate change all up there. Can’t remember anyone ever really chatting about the economy.

I know my wife gets a bit wound up every time she sees the boat loads arriving at Dover and isn’t happy that many of the illegal immigrants seem to being sent to Paddington house just a few metres away from us. She gets especially upset when she sees them standing on the fire escape with their mobiles, taking pictures of the area which, she believes will be sent back encouraging others to attempt the crossing.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

The left are completely committed to having an open door policy, but Boris isn't committed either, I believe as London Mayor he was prepared to declare an amnesty.  The fact that the Liverpool bomber was refused an asylum claim, but then spent a decade lost in the crowd, just underlines how the politicians have lost control of the situation.    😠

[Latchford Locks]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

The left are completely committed to having an open door policy, but Boris isn't committed either, I believe as London Mayor he was prepared to declare an amnesty.  The fact that the Liverpool bomber was refused an asylum claim, but then spent a decade lost in the crowd, just underlines how the politicians have lost control of the situation.    😠

I don't think they ever were

[Observer II]

Can anyone explain the difference between France and Belorussia ?    Both are allowing illegal migrants to enter a neighbouring Country.   😠

[Confused52]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

Can anyone explain the difference between France and Belorussia ?    Both are allowing illegal migrants to enter a neighbouring Country.   😠

France is not compelling those in the country on tourist visas to attempt to get entry into the UK. That is what is happening in Belarus. France is allowing but Belarus is forcing people to a closed and fortified border crossing. Give the French time ....

[Evil Sid]

What amuses me about the belarus border is that british troops are helping to patrol it whilst uk border force is shipping in by the boatload.....🤦‍♀️

[Observer II]

The French are turning a blind eye to illegals leaving their shores, so in effect no different to the Belorussians;  and to add insult to injury are taking money from us at the same time.    Perhaps, if for each migrant boat that arrives in the UK, we revoke a fishing licence, the French might take things seriously.   This won't stop until they are physically blocked from crossing and turned around,  perhaps the RN could do it.   All the hand wringing and crocodile tears over illegals drowning, doesn't avoid the fact that the drownings were self inflicted;  and imo we should be prepared to risk more in order to stop it permanently.  HMG have totally lost it - come back Nigel ffs.   😠

[ninearches]

Drownings are being facilitated by the French when they allow these boats to take to the water. The British are being left with the task of rescuing them.

Surely, there is an EU health & safety law that could be used against the French.

[Observer II]

Just watched a woke panel on Politics Live, discussing the migrant issue,  and the way they are totally averse to any form of draconian action to repel the invasion.  Meanwhile, they criticise the French for continued Police harrasment of those in the Camps; thus motivating them to want to get to a soft touch UK.   Think the French and EU generally need to asked why, if migrants aren't applying for asylum in their Countries, they don't deport them, but rather allow them to sleep rough in these camps.  If the Home Office wanted to get a grip, there are simple ways to identify a migrant's origin with 50mile, by the use of fluent translators, who can identify their accent.  Then it's a deportation flight to their nearest airport - sorted.      😠

[Observer II]

The French are blaming us for attracting these migrants, and it would seem to be true.   The very people who oppose "push back" and an open door policy, are the ones that have created this attraction, where free housing (hotels) and food, plus a mobile phone are provided, while they wait years to be processed by the Home Office, backed by HR lawyers paid for by legal aid   - what's not to like ?    While waiting to be processed,  they can enter the black economy, thus contributing nothing to support their use of public services.  The back log of these cases must be counted in the millions by now, all being farmed out to a Local Authority near you.    We now have the UKBF union challenging "push back" as being dangerous and life threatening,  but if they can "rescue" then at sea, why don't they take them back to a French port instead of a taxi service to the UK ?  😠

[Observer II]

Seems the fickle nature of our public mood has been highlighted by the compassion overload over Ukraine.  While Priti Patel has rightly been criticised for failing to stop "illegal" immigrants landing in the UK, we now have a sudden switch in opinion for not acting quickly enough in letting in blond, blue eyed Ukrainians.