Priti poor performance -

[Observer II]

2 hours ago, Bill said:

Or not

Aside from the fact that we can’t legally do that, what’s to stop them trying again?

 

Bill 😊

They can legally be taken to French territorial waters;  with any motor confiscated and an accidental puncture to their boat; their choice would be to get back to land asap.  Of course they could try again, if they can afford the price, but assured capture would eventually deter a pointless venture.  The much bigger issue of deporting ALL illegal migrants that have landed in the UK, costing us £5million per day to house, may require the use of Rwanda as a deportation point; but this won't legally occur until we've suitably  amended our own HR laws and withdrawn from the ECHR.    

[Bill]

It seems the illegal immigration issue has restated after a break of almost two weeks. It was interesting to see how they stopped the very moment the threat to deport them was announced but now they probably realize that threats do something are meaningless if nothing is seen to be getting done.

I think this goes some way to prove my point that this scheme wouldn’t as some say cost billions as the sheer threat of deportation is enough to deter most thus costing us next to nothing.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

Well it seems the "threat" of Rwanda hasn't detered the invasion, after an eleven day lull due to bad weather, the UKBF have returned to "rescuing" hundreds of illegals and bringing them into Dover.   Meanwhile the Rwanda scheme is to be tested in Court by the HR lawyers, which in the absence of modifications to our HR laws and our withdrawal from the ECHR,  it's looking like a forlorn hope.   Frankly, I don't think our political masters have any real intention of ending this absurd invasion, in fact quite the opposite, even though it contradicts 70% of public opinion.   The UK has been turned into a woke joke, and the migrants know it.    😠

[Bill]

Yes, I heard the weather excuse being put forward, but they must have been living underground for the last few weeks because we’ve had near perfect crossing conditions due to the large area of high pressure we’ve been sitting under hence almost no winds.

I think the government knew only too well that there’d be opposition to this and that there’d be legal challenges but that’s no reason for not trying something a bit more radical.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

Unlike the great unwashed, the liberal middle class don't have to put up with the downsides of this.   They can employ the cheap labour that immigrants provide, while the immigrant collect in working class estates, which they eventually dominate, retaining their foreign culture.  Interesting that the Czech PM has said that Islam will be the dominant  religion in his Country in a few decades; that there have been large scale riots in Sweden because some idiot set fire to a copy of the Quran.   😠

[Bill]

Somewhere between the “Welcome Everyone” sign and the electrified fence there’s a point that as an enlightened society we should be aiming for but just where this is will vary dramatically between individuals. We shouldn’t allow a minority viewpoint determine where this point of fairness lies or to derail any plans to achieve it.

Unfortunately, our politicians, more often than not, don’t seem to follow the wishes of those that elected them and are more concerned about being politically correct. It’s like asking a turkey to vote for Christmas to get them to forgo the safety of the party line and their careers to vote for something involving controversy and risk, but I believe this is what it’d take.

 

Bill 😊

[ninearches]

I think Islam still has its fair share of zealots who will stop at nothing to impose their religion ,whereas Christianity is more toned down since the atrocities of the middle ages , more live & let live.

[Observer II]

With a no choice election going on, one presumes that being fed up with one lot, means the peasants will vote for the other lot.   Problem is the "other lot" will be ten times worse, and  we'll have open door Britain.    😠

[Observer II]

Well it seems Priti's deal with Rwanda is full of holes -  1) The Rwandan Gov has to vet every migrant PRIOR to them leaving the UK. 2) The memo of understanding includes a deal for the UK to accept "vulnerable" migrants from Rwanda (read Africa) into the UK.  With the liberal left politicians and media, plus their HR lawyers pulling every possible string to stop deportations and a totally woke civil service aiming to confound any deportation scheme; it looks like Priti will have to go back to the drawing board.   😠

[Confused52]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

Well it seems Priti's deal with Rwanda is full of holes -  1) The Rwandan Gov has to vet every migrant PRIOR to them leaving the UK. 2) The memo of understanding includes a deal for the UK to accept "vulnerable" migrants from Rwanda (read Africa) into the UK.  With the liberal left politicians and media, plus their HR lawyers pulling every possible string to stop deportations and a totally woke civil service aiming to confound any deportation scheme; it looks like Priti will have to go back to the drawing board.   😠

If your description is correct Britain is ungovernable.

[Observer II]

I'm afraid that's the conclusion that I've come to too.   💀

[Bill]

Well look on the bright side, we won’t have to wait long now to find out as the first deportation flight is due to depart next Tuesday and if it does go ahead, I recon it’ll put a stop to most of the crossings.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

Don't believe it for a second Bill;   the agreement involves individual checks on each and every deportee and if the Rwandan civil service is as incompetant as ours; it will take a very long time to process the thousands of migrants currently being housed in our four star hotels, subject to a constant obstruction by HR lawyers.  If the Gov want to solve the problem they need to push back all migrant boats in the channel,  cancel fishing licenses to French fishermen foe each and every migrant boat that lands in the UK; and leave the ECHR asap.  😠

[Bill]

It was always said there’d be loads of objections right back to when this was first suggested but the plans are still being pushed forward. I reckon that if there was something that was such an impossible hurdle to overcome, they’d have dropped the idea long ago.

As for the thousands sitting in hotels, their time will hopefully come but in the here and now the fact that action is being taken, I’m sure we’ll see a marked drop in numbers attempting to cross, especially amongst young single men.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

Young single men will disappear into the crowd Bill, live on the black market, marry a local ugly, have kids, thus qualifying for "a right to a family life".   

[ninearches]

Seeing as we are expecting food shortages in the world ,why not put some of these illegals to work regenerating our EU depleted farming industry. Proper accommodation on suitable farms ,fair wages ,terms & conditions & let them work towards UK citizenship. Try & get the UK food self sufficient.

[Observer II]

That's precisely what the middle class liberal elite want - bringing cheap labour for them to use as nannies, gardeners etc.  The problem is about numbers, failure to assimulate, dependency on state aid and increasing demand on health, education and housing services.  Farming needs investment in new technology, such as large automated green houses for all year round food production, similar to Holland, not gangs of tempory pseudo-slaves.    😠

[ninearches]

Pay proper wages then they can pay stamps & tax & take them off the benefit system. Sadly, EU membership has laid waste a once great farming industry.

[Observer II]

Unfortunately, the UK hasn't the capacity for food self sufficiency, which was proven during WW2 with the u-boat blockade, despite planting ackers of gardens and open spaces; but we could at least try, especially in a world of global dependency now being fraught by volatility.   The biggest cause of our dependency on foreign sourced food are the super-markets, importing the cheapest possible produce from abroad, via lengthy road and air miles.  imo we need to subsidise our farming and fishing industry, and support with new technology high yield production.   The blow back on Russian sanctions has proved just how dangerous a dependence on foreign supply is.   As for migrants, the concern is about numbers, as each and everyone presents a tax consumer, it's not surprising that A&E departments are now chocker, as new arrivals are using them as GP surgeries, as they can't or won't register with a GP.  😠

[Confused52]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

....  it's not surprising that A&E departments are now chocker, as new arrivals are using them as GP surgeries, as they can't or won't register with a GP.  😠

Do you have any evidence for that?

[ninearches]

I see the UK is now being challenged in court by the UN over the Rwanda plan. The UN has a barrister aimed at derailing the plan. It's just a pity the UN didn't take on the EU about not providing enough asylum places within its 27 nations to avoid migrants having to cross the channel in the first place. Perhaps the UK missed a trick by not getting the UN on our side.

[Observer II]

1 hour ago, Confused52 said:

Do you have any evidence for that?

A fairly reasonable deduction based on the fact that illegal migrants or failed asylum applicants will wish to remain below the Gov radar, they won't register with a GP.  

 

40 minutes ago, ninearches said:

I see the UK is now being challenged in court by the UN over the Rwanda plan. The UN has a barrister aimed at derailing the plan. It's just a pity the UN didn't take on the EU about not providing enough asylum places within its 27 nations to avoid migrants having to cross the channel in the first place. Perhaps the UK missed a trick by not getting the UN on our side.

We vote for a Gov that passes laws through Parliament, and new laws if required to sustain Gov policy; I'm not aware that we voted for the UN.    

[Confused52]

4 hours ago, Observer II said:

A fairly reasonable deduction based on the fact that illegal migrants or failed asylum applicants will wish to remain below the Gov radar, they won't register with a GP.  

That bit is easy, but you suggested it was " not surprising that A&E departments are now chocker, as new arrivals are using them as GP surgeries". What evidence do you have for that; I know of none.

[Observer II]

If A&E's are now overloaded (which they are),  it's obvious that folk are using them either because they can't get appointments with their GP or they don't have a GP.      

[Observer II]

Well, a bit of good news - seems the High Court as agreed the deportations to Rwanda;  despite all the pressure of the liberal lefty HR lawyers and politicians - let's hope the Courts maintain their stance.   😑