Priti poor performance -

[Evil Sid]

Well i wonder if they will send the HR wallas to Rwanda with them to help with their cases. ( might be worth it just for the exes for traveling back and to)

 

[Confused52]

21 hours ago, Observer II said:

Well, a bit of good news - seems the High Court as agreed the deportations to Rwanda;  despite all the pressure of the liberal lefty HR lawyers and politicians - let's hope the Courts maintain their stance.   😑

What I find unacceptable is that the action was also brought by the Public and Commercial Services Union led by Mark Serwotka. That is a union for Civil Servants campaigning not on behalf of the union members rights but against the public policy of the government which their job requires them to serve impartially. Instead they side with a charity, whose governance is being investigated by the Charities Commission. All this via a firm of solicitors which brags of their close connections with the Labour Party. .... and people say there is no such thing as the blob....

[Observer II]

Well, despite the go ahead for he flight on Tuesday; the HR lawyers representing individual deportees, are whittling the number on the plane down, with their last minute vexatious claims; paid for by the tax=payer via legal aid.   A woke joke on us.    😠

[ninearches]

I believe a micro light is ready on the tarmac at Brize Norton.

Seriously though , there should be no need for a court case. These immigrants gave up their refugee status when they entered the EU. All EU countries are safe.

[Observer II]

Unfortunately Dave,  obvious common sense has no place in this, as the very uncommon liberal elite minority are dictating the game play.   They will live in their select middle class houses well away from the working class neighbourhoods where these migrants end up, but will no doubt hire them for cheap nanny, gardening jobs, assuming of course that the migrants can be weaned off benefits.  The bonus for the lefty libs is that massive blocks of migrants will vote for them eventually.  No help in stopping these boat trips by the French, who are only too glad to get rid, even though we're paying them to stop it. What we're seeing is the will of the majority through a referendum and the 2019 election being by passed through abuse of the HR laws through the courts.   The Gov need to withdraw from the ECHR,  scrap the HR act to destroy any possibility of vexatious legal attempts by the woke lawyers to obstruct Gov policy.  The only way to stop the invasion is to repel it at sea, turn these boats around and deposit them back on a French beach.     😠

[Evil Sid]

Or stop paying the HR lawyers. if they have to work for free then they might think twice about taking on a case.

[Observer II]

Simple way to do that Sid, just stop legal aid to non-citizens and their supporting charities.  But now that the ECHR intervention has cancelled the first flight to Rwanda,  the Tories need to understand that if they don't solve this, folk will start voting further to the right, which will ironically bring in the liberal Lab/Lib/SNP  to open the flood gates to migrants. 😠

[Confused52]

3 hours ago, Observer II said:

Simple way to do that Sid, just stop legal aid to non-citizens and their supporting charities.  But now that the ECHR intervention has cancelled the first flight to Rwanda,  the Tories need to understand that if they don't solve this, folk will start voting further to the right, which will ironically bring in the liberal Lab/Lib/SNP  to open the flood gates to migrants. 😠

I think Sid is on the right track. In addition I would make the lawyers pay HMG's costs when they fail. That way they would feel the pain of any case that cannot be proved solid. There may be a case for changing the the standard of proof for those who rely on no identity papers and present little more than hearsay as evidence. That way throwing away identity papers would make deportation more not less likely and real asylum seekers would not do it because that would be the proof they need.

[Observer II]

But we need politicians that are fully commited to actually carrying out such an approach;  I believe when Mayor of London, Boris suggested an amnesty for all migrants, which explains why he's struggling with this, he needs to be hard hearted and ruthless and "get it done."    😠

[Evil Sid]

Simple solution would be when they arrive on shore ask for papers to prove identity.

No papers, bus to the airport and as soon as the plane is full off to Rwanda and sort out any claims there.

Those with papers to the nearest mobile courtroom and case heard straight away. decision made by judge on the spot stay or go no appeals, no arguments, next case please.

if they average one person per hour they could clear half the arrivals in less than a day.

wishful thinking i know but possible with the right people in charge.

[Observer II]

We paid the French over £50mill to stop these cross channel trips on their beaches, there's been footage of French police actually watching a migrant group leave a beach on a dinghy.   We could offer to provide UKBF, Police & Military staff to help the French, but the reality is the French want rid of these migrants so won't prevent them leaving.  As for the Rwanda saga, I don't believe for a second that it provides a deterent to migrant crossings, but just off loads those that arrive to Rwanda, which is fine.   The lefty luvvies on TV have criticised the £500,000 "wasted" on hiring the first Rwanda flight that didn't fly;  but ignore the £5million per day it's costing to keep them in four star hotels.   Basically HMG has to get a grip and "get it done", otherwise they'll lose the next election.    😠

[Bill]

Looks like we’re not going to see much happening now until later next month when I think they’re going to be looking at the regulations. The problem as I see it is that we ourselves helped to create these rules but at a time when mass illegal immigration wasn’t an issue so in a sense, we’ve shot ourselves in the foot. Changing these outdated rules is essential if we’re ever going to find a solution that works.

 

Bill 😊

[Confused52]

21 hours ago, Observer II said:

But we need politicians that are fully commited to actually carrying out such an approach;  I believe when Mayor of London, Boris suggested an amnesty for all migrants, which explains why he's struggling with this, he needs to be hard hearted and ruthless and "get it done."    😠

You are confusing Boris with someone who always means what he says and is a conviction politician. He just isn't and never has been such a person. He has always just liked doing what people want in order to make himself popular. He just tries to get things done but like Blair blows with the wind of public opinion. He doesn't lie, well not in his head, he is just pragmatic and can change his mind. He doesn't see it as a U-turn because he wasn't committed in the first place. He is a journalist more than a politician and he is where he is because no-one else has more drive. Pathetic isn't it.

[Observer II]

Certainly is "pathetic";   when, out of all the politicians in parliament Boris appears to be, for all his faults, the best we can do for a Leader.   But he has failed  on the criteria of "doing what people want"; on not "getting Brexit done " due to the nonsense of the N/I protocol  and the failure to sort out illegal immigration;  thus ignoring the aspirations of leave voters who gave him a 70 seat majority in 2019.   The tragedy being,  that disillusionment will allow the return of Lab with an open door policy to migrants, LibDems with a commitment to rejoin the EU, and SNP to break up the Union.   😠

[ninearches]

Perhaps the voters will see the failure of Labour to stop a summer of discontent caused by their union paymasters & remember when election time comes around.

 

[Evil Sid]

"jam tomorrow" says the politicians "if you vote for us".

But there was no jam but still there is always tomorrow.

[Observer II]

I'd settle for red meat, but Boris and Co has gone all vegan on us.  😉

[Observer II]

According to "history debunked" on Youtube, who seems to be forensic with his facts;  Turkey has decided to expel the 3 million Syrian refugees from Turkey. Those not wishing to return to Syria, will be heading for Europe,  as they did in 2015 when Merkel allowed a million into Germany;  no doubt many will be heading for Calais and a short boat trip to Britain.   Meanwhile, the food shortages in Africa, caused by the Ukraine crisis, will no doubt put pressure on Italy to accept more boat people,  again heading for the UK.