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Turning into a bit of a dogs dinner, methinks -   called in Warr Hosp for a blood test, and was stopped by a Nurse who asked me if I'd had my vaccine, seems she was giving out vaccines shots, but the place was empty.   A young relative (under 40 yo), told me he was getting a vax shot next week, his wife's boss had got him the appointment.   :rolleyes:    😷   Meanwhile, it seems up to 25% of NHS staff in London have refused the vax.  :rolleyes:    Now we've got a new variant from Brazil;  it flew into the UK, didn't leave accurate info of it's whereabouts, thus being unable to trace - why are folk still flying into the UK ?   😠    😷

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They got in just before the hotel quarantine kicked in.

they have traced all but one who tested positive for the brazillian variant and the one they can't find did not complete his test form.

Of course now they have to contact all those who were on the aircraft with them and on the subsequent aircraft that they flew on to get back to the uk and the flight they used to get back to whatever location in the uk they originally came from. so potentially hundreds of vectors to spread from just on one flight.

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47 minutes ago, Observer II said:

.. and now the Gov are saying that they don't know how many or who hasn't filled in an information card -   looks like it's all turning pear shaped.   :rolleyes:    😷

They have a massive workload and lets be honest it's all new to them.

Give them a bit of slack because all in all they are doing a good job in uncharted waters

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Agreed. One person out of thousands not completing the paperwork correctly hardly makes things pear shaped. The odd thing though was that it was claimed the government was asking for this person to come forward while in Scotland they simply asked the airlines who was on the flights. I find it hard to believe that the government wouldn’t have already tried to do that so maybe the press are up to their usual tricks of using what’s not been said to imply incompetence.

Either way, it’s still worrying that after all the testing procedures that were in place at the airports, this new variant wasn’t picked up and infected people were allowed into the country.

 

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The question is, what are folk doing still flying around the world in any event ?    And if they do have to come here; why aren't they escorted to a quaranteen hotel ?  Sloppy, half baked procedures just ain't going to cut it.    😠    😷

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I think the answer to that is that they were Brits that were just trying to get home, anyone else from Brazil at that time was barred from entry. They couldn’t be escorted to a quarantine hotel because at that time the hotels weren’t ready to accept people.

This virus has created mega logistic problems so it’s not surprising that mistakes like this happen but at least it’s been picked up rather than covered up, so go easy on the gloom and doom because I'm sure everyone's trying their best.

 

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There are thousands of mutations, so what makes the "Brazilian variant" special? Is it good at football? Liverpool might be interested, they're having trouble scoring at home recently 😉.

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I think it’s obvious by now that whoever this person zero is, they don’t want to be identified for some reason. What I don’t understand is why with all the information that’s available, we can’t narrow things down. If as they say they’ve been able to trace and eliminate 70% of the people on the flight, then there should be a short list of names for those missing. I’d have thought it would be relatively easy with that list and CCTV images from the airports to find this individual if indeed they actually exist.

 

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6 minutes ago, Bill said:

I think it’s obvious by now that whoever this person zero is, they don’t want to be identified for some reason. What I don’t understand is why with all the information that’s available, we can’t narrow things down. If as they say they’ve been able to trace and eliminate 70% of the people on the flight, then there should be a short list of names for those missing. I’d have thought it would be relatively easy with that list and CCTV images from the airports to find this individual if indeed they actually exist.

 

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My understanding is that they think it was a kit handed out by a council canvasser - it was not a PCR test apparently. The user posted it back thinking the council knew who they had given the test to, the user was wrong. They do not actually know this person was on any flight but will have been asymptomatic to have been given the Lateral Flow kit. Hence the concern. It doesn't sound like they put serial numbers on the kits does it? The user may not be trying to hide but thought they were asymptomatic and still do since nobody told them otherwise, they may not be too bright either. We have to hope they didn't get out much!

This is why we need the case numbers below 15000 per week across the whole country so that every swab can be RNA sequenced and traced. Sequencing only a sample is what leads to this panic.

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That makes more sense than the missing person from a flight that was widely reported in the media and why I was starting to doubt whether or not this was just some kind of clerical mistake. Where did you hear this because this because I’ve not heard anything on the TV news about it?

 

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Bill, 

Had read this Confirmed cases of COVID-19 variants identified in UK - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Then Dr Susan Hopkins said something about it on the news conference last night. I put the things together and apparently they have identified the test kit batch now and are going round 379 houses. Brazil variant: Search for mystery case narrows to 379 households - BBC News

AdditionaI Speculation:

I note that the test was taken on 12/13 Feb in the South East and surge testing was being carried out that week in Lambeth looking for the SA variant but all samples were to be sequenced by COGS. See Surge testing to be deployed in areas around Lambeth in connection to new variant - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

 

 

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What I’d like to see is a graph showing the average age of covid 19 related deaths as that should show the effects of the vaccination process.

I’m surprised that nothing seems to have been produced to show this and any info that is available all seems to be from before the vaccinations started.  I’d have thought it would not only show how well the vaccine works but also maybe sway some of those who are still hesitant about it.

Also, as we move into the younger groups, I think there’ll be an increasing number who don’t see the virus as much of a personal threat and simply not bother with it. But this type of graph would hopefully show that the younger age groups are now at greater risk and encourage more to get the jab.

 

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Is there anywhere that shows the number of vaccinations that have been given in Warrington?

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4 hours ago, asperity said:

Is there anywhere that shows the number of vaccinations that have been given in Warrington?

The number of vaccinations in Warrington up to the last detailed publication which included jabs up to 21 Feb was:

CCG of Residence 1st dose   2nd dose   Cumulative Total Doses to Date
Under 65 65+   Under 65 65+  
NHS Warrington CCG      23,662      36,273                419       955  

 

 61,309

 

And the area by area breakdown is:

 

MSOA Name Number of people vaccinated with at least 1 dose
Under 70 70-74 75-79 80+
Culcheth West & Croft 929 341 345 457
Culcheth East & Hollins Green 960 383 325 460
Winwick & Burtonwood 960 366 345 437
Locking Stumps 762 294 224 235
Oakwood & Gorse Covert 685 293 148 123
Hulme 1,120 208 145 222
Houghton Green & Fearnhead 1,346 606 383 365
Blackbrook 1,351 376 274 274
Kingswood & Whittle Hall 1,610 316 158 191
Callands & Old Hall 1,956 501 325 359
Orford 1,368 345 307 410
Padgate & Paddington 1,347 473 414 508
Bewsey & Dallam 1,229 224 132 139
Woolston 1,048 536 339 373
Great Sankey 1,323 474 420 488
Hood Manor & Sankey Bridges 1,612 490 285 343
Fairfield & Howley 1,436 329 225 396
Central Warrington 1,473 464 391 509
Penketh & Cuerdley 1,353 555 551 818
Latchford 1,330 287 182 309
Lymm 1,859 668 606 786
Grappenhall 1,150 406 341 591
Stockton Heath & Hillcliffe 1,345 491 395 615
Appleton Thorn, Stretton & Walton 1,059 377 301 346

 

The source of the data is the weekly data files here: Statistics » COVID-19 Vaccinations (england.nhs.uk)

The values above were published on the 25th Feb. The next publication date will be tomorrow - 4th March.

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Casting our eyes a bit further afield ,it seems the Italians have blocked a delivery of 250,000 doses of AZ vaccine signed for by the Australian government. Just shows what a petty bunch our European friends can be . Bunch of p****s more like.

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4 hours ago, Davy51 said:

Casting our eyes a bit further afield ,it seems the Italians have blocked a delivery of 250,000 doses of AZ vaccine signed for by the Australian government. Just shows what a petty bunch our European friends can be

It seems their excuse was that the drug provider had failed to meet its obligations to the EU bloc. As a result they claim they have the right to stop exporting it until there is enough being produced to supply.

Usual EU bureaucracy at work by the sound of it......🤭

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Finally they found person zero and unbelievably he was either living in the same house as two other people who had just returned from Brazil or had been on the same flight. Two sightly different stories being given out on the BBC tonight but either way this person needs their arse kicking for all the trouble they’ve caused.

 

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12 minutes ago, Bill said:

Finally they found person zero and unbelievably he was either living in the same house as two other people who had just returned from Brazil or had been on the same flight. Two slightly different stories being given out on the BBC tonight but either way this person needs their arse kicking for all the trouble they’ve caused.

 

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From Matt Hancock tonight:

"Thanks to the brilliant team who’ve been working so hard over the past week, we’ve now successfully identified the sixth case of the variant of concern first identified in Manaus in Brazil.

Using the latest technology, and the dogged determination of our testing and tracing scheme, we’ve successfully identified the person in question.

The best evidence is that this person in question stayed at home and that there’s no sign that there’s been any onward transmission.

But as a precaution, we’re putting more testing in Croydon, where they live, to minimise the risk of spread."

 

I gave you the indication that they were testing in Lambeth on an earlier article from Gov.uk. The postcode sectors for the testing that I referred to were around Norwood which is just to the north of Croydon where they now said the miscreant family lives!

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On 3/3/2021 at 1:10 PM, Bill said:

What I’d like to see is a graph showing the average age of covid 19 related deaths as that should show the effects of the vaccination process.

I’m surprised that nothing seems to have been produced to show this and any info that is available all seems to be from before the vaccinations started.  I’d have thought it would not only show how well the vaccine works but also maybe sway some of those who are still hesitant about it.

Also, as we move into the younger groups, I think there’ll be an increasing number who don’t see the virus as much of a personal threat and simply not bother with it. But this type of graph would hopefully show that the younger age groups are now at greater risk and encourage more to get the jab.

 

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Bill, does this heat map help at all?

Deaths | Coronavirus in the UK (data.gov.uk)

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