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It is unbelievable as you say Gary. As I heard on the radio this morning, the USA can control the Mars Rover from millions of miles away but can't organise a party in a brewery a simple election. This has been going on for decades (as anyone who remembers the Bush/Gore election in 2000 will know) so there is no excuse for the chaos. Not that we in this country can boast, postal voting fraud being endemic in some areas.

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I think part of the problem is the States system, where different election rules and practises can be adopted; it would seem that in the cases of a National election one common set of rules should be in force.   The other issue of course is postal voting, which I believe can be abused, certainly in the UK.   As for the election itself, it looks like a choice between a nutter and a dementia case.   Biden will be a lame duck President without the support of the Senate or the Supreme Court, so a no win for the Dems. Meanwhile, there is a polarisation in politics, like here, between so-called progressives and populists.  Something too deep to heal I'm afraid.       :rolleyes:

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The vey notion of allowing returned ballot papers that have not been delivered to counting centres before the polls open is just contrary to natural justice and abhorrent to British eyes. Nevertheless that is what is permitted in the US. Indeed the USPS has said that it cannot guarantee that all of the papers will be delivered by 3pm local time today and when they turn up they will be counted. Since the propensity for democrat voters to use postal ballots is three times as high as republicans the problem is obvious and real. Technology isn't the problem it is that in democrat run states the system has been altered to favour one party over another and a clear mechanism to interfere with ballots even after the election exists. I do not see how any party can prove this system is clean.

 

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If as they say, there’s always been the opportunity to cheat, does either party have a greater number of cheats than the other? With such huge voter numbers, the law of averages must cancel things out and any effect would be miniscule.

 

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3 hours ago, Davy51 said:

Trump really is coming across as a spoilt brat but i don't really like Biden either. Perhaps, with his health problems ,Biden is just a bridge to produce a woman president at some time during his term.

Given that the Dems have spent the last 4 years claiming that Trump's presidency is illegitimate with their cries of "Russian interference" and attempts at impeachment, calling him racist and homophobic despite all the evidence to the contrary, it's no surprise that he isn't going to go quietly.

If Biden wins there will be big smiles in Beijing and Tehran, and plans to invade Taiwan in the knowledge that Sleepy Joe has already been paid to turn a blind eye.

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2 hours ago, Observer II said:

Donald will spend the next 4 years trying to stay out of prison -  Harris and Pelosi will see to that - hell hath no fury etc.    💀

I very much doubt anything will be tried, in much the same way Killary has never been brought to justice after all her misdeeds. An incoming President would be afraid the same thing would be done to him/her at the end of his/her term, and they all have skeletons in the cupboard - they're politicians!! Lets face it the Dems have tried everything to find some evidence against the Donald for the last 4 years and have come up with nothing.

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The problem is, that, as in the UK, successive administrations have allied themselves to corporate interests rather than the grass roots populace, which is why Trump's promise to drain the Washington swamp had appeal.  Trump basically lost because of his incoherent approach to the pandemic, which lost him the votes of the people most under threat - the elderly.  The problem with populism is that you have to remain popular and play to at least 51% of the population.   If Biden returns to business as usual, with an overlay of superficial identity politics, he'll lose the next election - assuming he lives that long.   So 2024 could see a return of a Trump successor, hopefully without any personality flaws.     😉

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43 minutes ago, Observer II said:

The problem is, that, as in the UK, successive administrations have allied themselves to corporate interests rather than the grass roots populace, which is why Trump's promise to drain the Washington swamp had appeal.  Trump basically lost because of his incoherent approach to the pandemic, which lost him the votes of the people most under threat - the elderly.  The problem with populism is that you have to remain popular and play to at least 51% of the population.   If Biden returns to business as usual, with an overlay of superficial identity politics, he'll lose the next election - assuming he lives that long.   So 2024 could see a return of a Trump successor, hopefully without any personality flaws.     😉

I am not sure that you are right about that. I don't have sufficient knowledge to be sure but following socialist principles in the US seems to be a sure way of losing according to reports I have seen of focus groups in the last day or so. The largest older population state is surely the snow-birds in Florida - who voted for Trump. Are you sure you know enough about the US to comment? I will leave it to Stallard.

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Weren't they telling us how the turn out for both sides was among the highest ever seen so Trumps support had actually gone up at the ballot box even in covid times. Couple that with the increase in Democrat votes & that might be what is giving rise to claims of electoral fraud.

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While there do seem to be problems with the US voting systems, I find it strange that any suggestion that there should be any investigations and legal challenges is being shouted down by the media and the Dems. Surely they want the election of Mr Biden to be seen to be legally fair and above board? There's still another month to go before the Electoral College are due to anounce the outcome, so no rush.

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This is just an historical statement.

The election is a farce, but caused by one side only.  The Democratic Party, has been taken over by anarchists and Marxist, who have been welcomed by the Democratic power hungry elite, who had no chance of victory on their ability or record.  They have for four years, treated government in exactly the same way as Stalin, North Korea and China, the only difference being that they destroyed their opponents by mob rule and slander rather than outright assasination. They have thrown away the rule book and the Constitution and are completely without shame and or morals.  This description applies to the very top leaders of the party.  Just to highlight the level to which these politicians have dropped, one of the Democratic congresswomen, who will probably now have a cabinet position, gained access to America from Somalia by marrying her brother who was already here and has denigrated America and Israel ever since.  She has, quite blatantly been supporting her whole family using her campaign contributions and just thumbs her nose at the law.

It is almost impossible to put into words an apt description of the characters involved in this coup, that's what it is, a coup not an election.  You will find out in a very short time just how corrupt and stupid the people behind Biden are and the world is about to suffer if this farce is allowed to stand.  Biden will be forcibly retired during the next year, so that Harris can take over.  Of course the media, raised in the same academic system is cheerleading this abortion.  You will never hear the reports of multitude of corruption at the polls, Democrats only counting the votes, Republican observers removed from the are etc, etc .

For almost a year, Democrats have been rioting and burning down citys , now, overnight, because they think that they may have terrorized their way to victory, it has all stopped.   During this election abomination how many riots and lootings have the Republicans led?  Not a single one!

I have followed politics for about sixty years, sometimes Labor, some times Cons,  but I have never seen a situation like this, the political fabric has been torn apart by evil and stupidity.  America, under Trump, had the most prosperous, peaceful and stable system in its history.  It's amazing to think that that can be destroyed by corrupt politicians, a disasterous academic system and an uninformed public.

Better look out, with these clowns in control, every terrorist in the world will be celebrating.  Hope you enjoy nightly beheadings on tv.

Garbage may now end up trying to lead the world.

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While not being evidence of fraud as such, the idea that Biden actually won millions of more votes than Obama could achieve (and Trump won more votes this time than he did in 2016) while doing near to zero campaigning should give anyone pause for thought. I expect if Biden is made president there will be wars breaking out in the usual areas with the US supporting one side or the other, destroying Trump's achievements over the last 4 years. Time to be afraid.

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Not going to belabor the point Asp, but this is what has happened in Democrat controlled States all over the country.  It happened in Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan etc.  Michigan is a perfect example of what happened in those places. Trump was ahead close to the end of voting to the point where he confidently declared the State won.  Then suddenly the vote counters, all Democrats, miraculously 'found' 138,000 'lost' votes, no Republican witnesses.  There were four people on the Presidential ballot in Michigan, Trump, Biden and two eco nuts.  Again miraculously, all 138,000 'lost' votes were for Biden, not one vote was for any of the other three !  Biden was declared the winner.

Your facts are exactly right and coupled with the kind of events detailed above, plus Trump got more black and Hispanic votes than any previous Republican Presidential candidate, stinks to high heaven.  But it's going nowhere because of the complicit media.

Impossible to imagine the US being controlled by a group of communists completely devoid of ethics.  The Constitution has always reined in out of control factions in the past, but these bozos have just torn it up and thrown it in the trash.  We have nine members on the Supreme Court, with Trumps latest pick to replace Bader Ginsburg, there is a conservative leaning majority of one.  The Democrats intend to illegally expand the Court to twelve and immediately appoint three radical liberals to guarantee a Liberal decision on any dispute heard.

On day one Biden is going to do executive orders reversing Trumps tax cuts and re install Obamas draconian regulations. Which will kill any economic recovery.

There will be a ban on fracking, coal mining and off shore drilling immediately 

All gasoline engines will be banned within five years.

All airplanes and shipping will be banned within ten years

Police will be defunded 

The military will be reduced by 80%

Those are just a few items from their agenda, they are serious, this will happen.

The saddest thing is that normally you could say that by the mid-term elections in two years time, people will realize what's happening and throw the bums out of the House and Senate.  But as we are just witnessing, once again they will just lie and cheat and again declare themselves the winner !  Now can you see the implications ?

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