observer Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 No wonder folk don't get involved in challenging anti-social behaviour. Seems the guy who jumped to the assistance of the ticket collector on a train, and threw the fare dodger off, has been charged with assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 It was assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Why was it assault as the gobby little chap was asked to leave the train as he didn't have a ticket and kept swearing at the ticket collector and wouldn't get off so the passenger removed him. It's become a youtube hit apparently though with over 2 million viewings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 If asked to leave and you refuse then I think you should be entitled to forcibly eject. In the same way that you could be thrown out of a pub, club or sports stadium etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 The world has gone mad and the law is an ass. Shoot the little bugger, he deserves it. What really riles me, is who decides to make something of issues like this. Is there no common sense left on this island? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 There are employees and police who are paid to deal with such events. The man was a fool to get involved. The 'spirit of the law' does not apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Obs, you would not have got involved anyway, I can not see your point. Are you trying to use it as an excuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Two things. I think the spirit of the law does apply - yes, an assault, but probably a justifiable one, especially when 98% of the country agrees with the big man's actions. Secondly, if the police get a complaint they have no choice but to act on it and give their findings over for consideration. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 I guess, as in another similar case, they should have done nothing; even when the fare dodger stuck a knife in the ticket collectors' back, then run from the train - that way, he left the train voluntarily! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 So what you are saying Harry, should have left his comment till after the court case, As the CPS might deside not to pursue the case. You could have said he's jumping the gun as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Damage was done when he was arrested and charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Two things. I think the spirit of the law does apply - yes, an assault, but probably a justifiable one, especially when 98% of the country agrees with the big man's actions. Secondly, if the police get a complaint they have no choice but to act on it and give their findings over for consideration. Happy days So if, when you were on the beat you got a smack from a member of the public if 98% of the country thought it justified you would accept it. I bet your colleagues would be a tad unhappy with your benevolence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Bad analogy that. We got smacked very often and accepted it, if it was in context - say a pub brawl, otherwise you would be locking half the customers up. In my day the public were very much on your side and accepted police action to be as fair as circumstances allow. Policemen got assaulted regularly, but would only take say three or four to court in the whole of their service. Every touching is an assault. Just your finger will do. Doesn't have to be violence. It is necessary to employ the spirit of the law in minor cases which implies the use of common sense. In previous days this incident would not have got beyond the desk sergeant. Now, It is for the police to gather the facts and when the assault was apparently justified and the injuries pretty minor, for someone in the CPS to be big enough to invoke the spirit of the law, and probably in this case, say it is not in the public interest to prosecute. Happy days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 If the Transport Police were concerned about upholding "the law"; perhaps they could deploy their Officers as plain clothed "train marshals"; but I guess, even with the new fare rises, that would be uneconomical?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teessidewire Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 If the Transport Police were concerned about upholding "the law"; perhaps they could deploy their Officers as plain clothed "train marshals"; but I guess, even with the new fare rises, that would be uneconomical?! If you knew how many Officers are in the BTP and the area they have to cover, then you would proably understand why they cannot do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 If you knew how many Officers are in the BTP and the area they have to cover, then you would proably understand why they cannot do this. well there is usually three or four of them sat in the half glass Vivaro van near Bank Quay most nights!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I would say after watching the video that some off the blame should go to the ticket inspector who decided to argue with the chancer for fifteen minutes before the passenger intervened. All he had to do was get in touch with the railway police and ask them to meet the train at the next station. once there he should have pointed out the individual and then let them take him away and have a quiet talk with him. That way the train would not have been held up more than five minutes at the first instance and about the same time when the train reached the next station. That way the other passenger would not have been tempted to intervene and the whole of the rail system on that track would not have been held up either. Simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 What Sid said. Plus I think the guy used a little too much violence leaving himself open to the charge of assault. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 What Sid said again. Would have been a more appropriate procedure and no fuss, except if the individual concerned tried to resist arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Mmmm I agree with Sid's reasoning too although I still don't recon the bloke assaulted the grot. He just helped him him off in a meaningful manner. To me assault used to mean you hit someone and caused injury etc rather than just giving them a bit of 'direction'. If I kicked up a fuss, argued, and then refused to leave a shop and was physically removed could I then charge the person with assault even though it was me being an idiot in the first place? Could I then claim/or would I then get compensation ? Might try it tomorrow in the food queues Did the bloke who pushed to 'jumper' off the bridge in China a few years ago get done for assault too or did he get a cheer and a pat on the back for sorting the traffic jam out ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sure the cretin of a fare dodger will now be considering a claim for compen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 And his compo should be set at a firm slap at the least plus a fine and an appology to the passengers and conductor, plus 10 rings with the bloke that threw him off no holds barred (and had he been my son he would be getting a whole lot worse) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 We've got a rather inverted morality these days: fan runs on to soccer pitch, at goalie. Goalie reacts to possible assault by fan, by giving him a good kicking. Ref red cards the goalie. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 What bugs me with some of you, is the fact that you are criticising the guy who threw the yob off the train and at the same time, condoning his actions and behaviour. Is it any wonder the country is in such a mess when the guilty/criminal are not castigated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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