chriswolves Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Firstly i must point out that i am shocked at what happened to Gary Newlove in Padgate. That was a horrible crime which took place but this kind of crime could have happened anywhere in Britian. Now all the media are in town looking for any kind of trouble involving youngsters. The media are giving people a real bad impression of Warrington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 It will be of little compensation to Gary Newloves' family that 'it could have happened anywhere in the country' A similar post to this has already been started under Local Issues 'News at Ten' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Geoff Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I think it's up to us all to show the good side of Warrington. The media are all over the place. The Manchester Evening News even knocked on my door yesterday asking about neighbours. I told them nothing but they sat out in their car waiting for a long time until other people came home. You can draw your own conclusions from what they were after. Helen Newlove gave a brilliant speech and we should all think long and hard about her message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 The media are giving people a real bad impression of Warrington Should that not read "The media are giving people a real impression of Warrington"? Have you been in hibernation Chris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Oh Eagle is it that bad? It has been 3 years since I have been there but... By the way the big Media - its all about shock, horror. The local Media( that I have read) is giving the facts. Ver sad days for Newlove's family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robot Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Oh dear, have just read the double page item in the Sunday People...(20th Jan) I wonder if something had happened like this in the South, would it get the same treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Geoff Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I don't want to go out and buy the People what was the gist of the piece? I've just found an on-line version is this what you read? SCOURGE OF DRINK YOBS 20 January 2008 The murder of Garry Newlove was not the first tragedy of its kind. And it will not be the last unless we get a firm grip on our boozed-up yob culture. Just how many more families have to lose loving fathers because youngsters have such easy access to alcohol? Ministers boast of giving police "tough" powers, such as confiscating drink and dispersing gangs. And after each Garry New love our TV screens are full of unruly teenagers being told by police not to be naughty boys as they are sent on their way. These kids even give two fingers to fixed penalties which they do not pay half the time, and ASBOs are collected as badges of honour. Last week The People witnessed an underage girl buying booze from an off-licence only streets away from where Garry was kicked to death. So if his killing is to achieve anything we must stop turning a blind eye - and deal with teenage drinking with open eyes. If kids misbehave in Germany, they can find themselves learning the error of their ways in a Siberian boot camp. Police can use stiffer penalties here, too, but choose not to, with convictions for being drunk and disorderly only HALF what they were when Labour came to power. And the ONLY force in the country to substantially buck that trend is Northumbria. Teachers, doctors and parents all have their part to play when youngsters abuse alcohol. But so do the courts, and more cases must now be brought before them. Otherwise our kids will go on thinking they can get away with murder. [ 20.01.2008, 13:24: Message edited by: Student Geoff ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 It has certainly caught the attention of the media. Interesting article by Peter Hitchens (Mail on Sunday) The Tories helped kill Garry Newlove The second-worst thing about the death of Garry Newlove is that no good will come of it. After a week or two of public breast-beating, we will begin to forget about it, and the people who are in charge of this country will carry on turning it into Hell. Hell tends to appear in the midst of societies which don't believe that Hell exists. The fate of ever-expanding numbers of people, trapped in their own homes at nightfall as the whooping, loping ferals come out and play, is Hell. It is a life of fear, anxiety, sleeplessness, torture, loss and danger - with no prospect of help coming, ever. Dare to defend yourself and you will either get your head kicked in, in front of your weeping family - as happened to Garry Newlove - or be arrested for "taking the law into your own hands" by the most useless police force in the solar system. At least in dictatorships the scum are scared of the police, whereas here it's the other way round. Let things carry on like this much longer, and millions will be longing for a dictatorship if it at least means they can get some peace in their homes. This is a genuine danger. Seeing this coming several years ago, I found out how and why it had happened and how it might be stopped. I sought, naively, to bend the ears of a number of Tory politicians. I knew it would be a waste of time talking to Labour ones. These supposed 'Conservatives' treated my warnings with pained, languid contempt. That was when I began to wish, hope and work for the destruction of the Tory Party. Here were the British people under threat and they just weren't interested. This was mainly because they themselves were deeply implicated. They had helped pass the laws that stopped police policing and judges judging. They killed Garry Newlove, in my view, as surely as the morons who actually did the kicking. Don't believe them if they now claim to be tough. They weren't when it mattered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 fair summary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 But as you so often say obs, this lot have done nowt to change things. They talk about more stringent checks on buying alcohol, yet at the same time encourage 24 hour drinking. Something doesn't seem right somehow. :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 History tells us that both major political parties are as bad as each other in most cases. We badly need another choice, one that represents the people and not themselves. Having said that maybe we get what we deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 The WHOLE of Warrington has very recently been designated as an 'Alcohol Designation Area' (ADA) which I was glad to hear..... until I looked up what it actually means [/b] Perhaps I'm missing something :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 First of all, we need "politicians" with ideas based on practical experience on the ground - all we have in the main, is half-baked dogma, with spin from bits of kids straight out of Uni and into a think tank, prior to being offered an MPs job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 ........and local MPs demanding enquiries only when their policies come home to roost on their doorsteps. :spin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 and parents and schools who discipline children who step out of line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Originally posted by Eagle: The media are giving people a real bad impression of Warrington Should that not read "The media are giving people a real impression of Warrington"? Have you been in hibernation Chris? As an incomer I can only say, no they aren't/ Don't you think it's ironic, that the MEN of all publications should be coming to Warrington looking for youth/drink'drug induced trouble? Surely Manchester of all UK cities at the moment has enough on their plate, without looking elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Geoff Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Unfortunately the MEN will be busy on their own home patch today in Old Trafford. I was nearby yesterday and I saw first hand the lengths that the Odsall area have to take to shore up their area from vandalism - the leisure centre I went to was like a fortress to get into and evn when you were inside their were securoty locks on the hall doors and gates on the stair wells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Originally posted by fatshaft: Originally posted by Eagle: The media are giving people a real bad impression of Warrington Should that not read "The media are giving people a real impression of Warrington"? Have you been in hibernation Chris? As an incomer I can only say, no they aren't/ Don't you think it's ironic, that the MEN of all publications should be coming to Warrington looking for youth/drink'drug induced trouble? Surely Manchester of all UK cities at the moment has enough on their plate, without looking elsewhere? Are you saying that we should keep it covered up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Originally posted by wolfie: Originally posted by fatshaft: Originally posted by Eagle: The media are giving people a real bad impression of Warrington Should that not read "The media are giving people a real impression of Warrington"? Have you been in hibernation Chris? As an incomer I can only say, no they aren't/ Don't you think it's ironic, that the MEN of all publications should be coming to Warrington looking for youth/drink'drug induced trouble? Surely Manchester of all UK cities at the moment has enough on their plate, without looking elsewhere? Are you saying that we should keep it covered up? Who's covering it up? The MEN is not a Warrington newspaper though is it, so why, when they have murders and shootings almost daily in manchester. do you think they've made a point of spending time covering this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 The same reason that the Liverpool Echo reports it. Unfortunately both Manchester and Liverpool readership spreads as far as Warrington, in the same way that Radio Manchester and Merseyside covers this area also and will continue to do so until we get a decent radio station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Geoff Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Keith no one is burying their head in the sand - just illustrating a point - part of the notice was about the things that the police were doing and the emphasis that they do not tolerate such behaviour. I report all incidents I come across and the police deal with them accordingly. I have found that the PCSO's have been an asset to our area and have played their part in getting convictions in recent cases. I do not hold with the view expressed at a recent Parish Council that they are 'bobbies on the cheap' as expressed by one Parish Councillor who should know better as he is an ex-councillor and should be actively supporting should initiatives. I have also taken part in the recent Test purchase exercise to see which licensed shops were selling alcohol illegally and I report sites where the kids go to drink - the latest was investigated yesterday. If more people would report more issues then they will stand a greater chance of tackling the issues and problems ? they publish their emails, phone numbers and hold CAT meetings ? it is our responsibility to help them as best we can. [ 22.01.2008, 17:24: Message edited by: Student Geoff ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Originally posted by Student Geoff: no one is burying their head in the sand - I report all incidents I come across and the police deal with them accordingly. I report sites where the kids go to drink If more people would report more issues then they will stand a greater chance of tackling the issues and problems You must be burying your head if you believe that 1.the Police deal with all incidents that are reported 2. the Police don't already know where kids are drinking. 3. you still think there is some point in anyone reporting anything to the Police. [ 25.01.2008, 08:35: Message edited by: wolfie ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 The booze outlet nearest to me has a system that enables them to pass the spot checks yet still allows them to continue to sell to underage kids. They don't sell to strangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Originally posted by Student Geoff: I think it's up to us all to show the good side of Warrington. Hoodie Killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Surely it is time to stop alcohol from being sold in supermarkets & other cut price outlets.Cut the price of alcohol in pubs to a realistic level & encourage drinkers back into a proper licensed environment with properly enforced openig hours & only sell through proper licensed off licences for household use with proper age & responsibility checks even to the point home delivery by off licences to designated police-checkable addresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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