trojan Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Is it right that just like Hillsborough 20 years ago, Police should now be blamed for the death of a 4 year old boy, who was savaged to death at a house where fighting dogs were illegally bred? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 It wasn't right 20 years ago and it's not right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway56 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hillsborough...Police to blame Heysel....Stadium to blame. Kid savaged to death...Police to blame. Â Do scousers ever accept responsibility for anything ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Yes of course the police should have acted on any information they were given ...  BUT.. AND IT IS A BIG BUT.... at the end of the day the family should NOT have been breeding ILLEGAL DOGS in the first place  As they were obviously aware of what they were doing, the fact that it was wrong, illegal and potentially dangerous THEY should not have allowed a young child (or anyone else for that matter) to be anywhere near any animal that they were not 100% sure of  Sorry but the buck stops with the family in my opinion !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Yes of course the police should have acted on any information they were given ... Â Agree, the police should have acted on the information they were given. The dog's owner's were committing an offence by keeping an animal which was a danger to the concerned neighbours who reported it as well as the poor child who tragically died. Had they responded to the information given and removed the dog then that poor child would still be alive. Â Disagree The family should be done for murder and the police for negligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21GoodLife Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Is it right that just like Hillsborough 20 years ago, Police should now be blamed for the death of a 4 year old boy, who was savaged to death at a house where fighting dogs were illegally bred? Â Can't believe for a second that you think anything but the police were to blame for Hillsborough. Unbelievable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I have to admit 21 I too am a little bit baffled by the first comment. The Police were blamed for the Hillsborough tragedy within hours of it happening; it didn't take 20 years for it to happen.... The police were to blame and always have been for what happend at Hillsborough. They also lied and covered up as much of the evidence that they could to escape justice. The big difference is that the Police admitted they hadn't gone to the dog owners house after the tip off.... it perhaps took 20 years for them to adit they screwed up at hillsborough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Thought we might eventually get round to blaming Social Services too, for not taking the kid into care, on the grounds he was living with a load of dead heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You can apportion blame to various "should have done better bodies" but the blame lies with the owner of the killer dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyG Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Is it right that just like Hillsborough 20 years ago, Police should now be blamed for the death of a 4 year old boy, who was savaged to death at a house where fighting dogs were illegally bred?  Can't believe for a second that you think anything but the police were to blame for Hillsborough. Unbelievable  It's unbelievable to think that Liverpool fans were not in part to blame. I don't recall seeing Police trampling over any fans.  As for the 4 year old lad being an ardent Everton fan - don't think so. As an Everton fan it made me cringe to think that these so called grief stricken people took time out to organise special shirts for everyone to wear at the funeral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tod Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hillsborough...Police to blameHeysel....Stadium to blame. Kid savaged to death...Police to blame. Â Do scousers ever accept responsibility for anything ? Â Spot on Safeway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Does anyone nowadays ? It's all part of the blame and claim culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 So it was 3000 Police that pushed there way in  Not sure if Police cracking down on illegal dog breeding would have made much difference, it takes that long to prove that the dogs being bred are of the illegal type and these people just move the dogs to relatives.  Have to agree with Davyg the sight of all those Everton shirts, coffin and hearse at the funeral would have been a joke if it wasn't so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Â As for the 4 year old lad being an ardent Everton fan - don't think so. As an Everton fan it made me cringe to think that these so called grief stricken people took time out to organise special shirts for everyone to wear at the funeral. Good god, how tacky is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 You can apportion blame to various "should have done better bodies" but the blame lies with the owner of the killer dog. Â Correct Eagle, it does. Â And the sooner we start pointing the finger more at bad parents and give them a tough time and force them to accept their responsibilities, the sooner many of the problems we have in society will start to be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 It should not be necessary, in a civilised society, to deploy a single police officer at any football match. So the police were NOT to blame for Hillsborough. The Liverpool fans who were crushed to death were NOT to blame either. They were innocent victims of those who arrived late (whether drunk or sober) and pushed the crowd forward, thus trapping them against the fencing which also should not have been necessary in a civilised society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Is there anyone who thinks that if the Police HAD turned up, the dog owner and his family would have handed over the dog, owned up and not bought another one the following week? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway56 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Thousands of documents are about to be made public regarding Hillsborough to be presided over by a Bishop(Eh ? why ?) Those expecting that the finger will be pointed at the police may well be disappointed, in fact they may hear a lot of home truths being told to them. Not before time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 If a club installs cages that have no release mechanism, then they are to blame for crush deaths. Or deaths in case of a fire. Or indeed any other death resulting from lack of access or escape. Without the cages, all that would happen is a crowd on the pitch. If a company had such cages for workers and there was an accident, H&S would be after the company and the Directors might even be looking at manslaughter charges. I have never understood why the club has walked away from it whilst everyone else is being blamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 If a club installs cages that have no release mechanism, then they are to blame for crush deaths. Or deaths in case of a fire. Or indeed any other death resulting from lack of access or escape. Without the cages, all that would happen is a crowd on the pitch. If a company had such cages for workers and there was an accident, H&S would be after the company and the Directors might even be looking at manslaughter charges. I have never understood why the club has walked away from it whilst everyone else is being blamed.Because it was made law that all grounds had to have cages. It was part of Thatcher's crusade against sport in general, and football in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Thought it must be her fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway56 Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Have to agree with LP regarding the fences at Hillsborough. They were installed to prevent the occasional hooligan from running onto the pitch...They shouldn't have been designed to withstand the weight of hundreds of people pressing on them. When a critical weight was put upon them should have been designed to collapse and the crowd spill over onto the safety of the pitch. I'm still of the opinion though that the deaths were caused by the latecomers attempting to obtain the premium view directly behind the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 I'm still of the opinion though that the deaths were caused by the latecomers attempting to obtain the premium view directly behind the goal. Â That is the opinion that is shared by the majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Have to agree with LP regarding the fences at Hillsborough. They were installed to prevent the occasional hooligan from running onto the pitch...They shouldn't have been designed to withstand the weight of hundreds of people pressing on them. Like many of Thatcher's brainwaves, it wasn't thought through, and clubs were given a fait accompli, so issues like these weren't given the consideration that they should have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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