asperity Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I think you ought to re-read what I said LP, because I wasn't phrasing an argument at all, just remarking on the strangeness of the way some people (of indeterminate, unknown beliefs) think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Asp, even if all Muslims were homophobes, that wouldn't be why NG wanted to deport them, now would it? So there's nothing illogical about objecting to his racism and his homophobia - both are objectionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Pity Mr Griffin wasn't allowed to talk about Europe and a referendum. At least politicians will now have a better idea that a great number of people think there is too much immigration and might take their heads out of the sand. A possible population of 70 million worries me. Â I am old and old fashioned in my thinking but many of the BNP policies ON THE SURFACE appeal to me. Pity no other party will move to somewhat allay peoples fears. Â Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Asp, even if all Muslims were homophobes, that wouldn't be why NG wanted to deport them, now would it? So there's nothing illogical about objecting to his racism and his homophobia - both are objectionable. Â So why are you ascribing remarks to me that I didn't make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Like them or hate them... the BNP are the only Party hitting the headlines at the moment The words 'contrived', 'planned' and 'clever tactics' spring to mind.  Sick to death of hearing about Question Time and now 'he' has now apparently put in an official complaint about the programme and 'his' treatment. Like 'he' and 'his' party didnt expect it to go that way  All just a clever PR stunt if you ask me and one that's obviously working as they are getting masses of publicity as well as on-line comments and chat everyhwere.  Sadly some disgruntled supporters of other parties will no doubt fall for it all and become 'their' newest intake of supporters gaining them even more votes  Guess that's politics for you but in 'their' case I will not waste any more breath or give them any more publicity by way of forum chat which they no doubt will be searching for to notch up another mark on their board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Harry, you've hit the nail on the head, and the wet liberals just don't get it - folk disgruntled with the mainstream parties simply have nowhere else to go (other than UKIP); instead of prattling on about racism and facism, they should be sounding out public opinion and changing their policies accordingly I.E. 1) Referendum to leave the EU. 2) Complete moratorium on immigration. 3) Repeal/ammendment of the HR Act - for starters. Griffin and Co have really upset the apple cart of the political establishment, which is frankly hilarious; but I doubt his success under PR will be repeated nationally in first past the post - which is yet another reason why the two main parties will never subscribe to any PR voting system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I like Martin Samuel's comments:- Â The most dangerous view currently going around is that the failings of the major political parties are driving decent voters into the arms of the British national party. This lets people off the hook too easily. For the record: if your MP is a crook, it is no excuse to vote BNP. If your bins haven't been collected, it is no excuse to vote BNP. If you are worried about immigration, taxation, education, violent crime, the NHS, war in Afghanistan, the Lisbon Treaty or any other issue you feel this Government has completely messed up, it is still not an excuse to vote BNP. There is never an excuse to vote BNP. never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Of course there is: in any democracy folk are entitled to vote for whichever manifesto appeals to their aspirations - there are no "no go" areas in politics and niether should there be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 That's your colours nailed to the mast then, I agree with Samuel that there is absolutely no excuse for voting for the BNP shower of sh!te. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Had to work down south for a few days, Got to say I agree with eagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Well that's a surprise Kyje! The same folk who condemn the lack of free expression in totalitarian Countries, seems to be the first to ban it here, if such expression contradicts their view of the world - think they call it hypocracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 No problem with free expression, the problem is with supporters of the BNP quoting excuses to vote for them. I vote for reasons not excuses and I have no reason to vote for slimeballs and nobheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 No problem with free expression, the problem is with supporters of the BNP quoting excuses to vote for them. I vote for reasons not excuses and I have no reason to vote for slimeballs and nobheads. Â That's Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegge out then. Not many left!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 The part that I found strange was when Griffin said he thought the sight of 2 homosexuals kissing was "creepy". He was derided by the same people who stick up for Muslim rights, the Muslims who would quite happily string that same pair of homosexuals up by the neck from the nearest crane. Quite bizarre the way some people think. Â Asp, dear heart, that's what you said. In the landlubbing world, which seems to differ from yours at times, yours is the illogical thinking. Let's move away from Old Nick there (Oops, did I just demonize him? ) and look purely at your logic. You can't defend a being's rights if that being practices anything of which you disapprove. So a vegetarian who wants to save the tiger from extinction is a bizarre thinker? Or a pacifist doctor who still treats soldiers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 That's Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegge out then. Not many left!! Â A rather incomplete list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Very fuzzy thinking LP. Griffin was only saying what he felt about seeing homosexuals kissing. He wasn't advocating making it illegal, just being truthful about what he felt. As for veggies wanting to save tigers and pacifist doctors treating soldiers, well that's the sort of behaviour I would expect of them!! Perhaps if politicians were allowed to say what they honestly felt without being pilloried we could have a more honest and sensible debate about the ills of the world. Instead of this we have special interest groups just waiting to be "insulted" by any comment they feel may bring their cause into the limelight. Â Meanwhile the landlubbers in Iran quite happily kill their own citizens for offences supposedly set out in their holy book the Quran such as homosexuality. Â I won't be voting for Mr Griffin and his ramshackle socialist party however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Oh that's an intelligent and reasoned arguement Eagle "nobheads" - well parliament's full of them. It's called free speech and if you wan't to listen to it fine, like wise, if you don't fine - but don't try and argue for censorship, cos you've then lost the arguement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Where did I mention censorship? Â I am reasonably intelligent which means that nobhead is a suitable noun to use when referring to the BNP. I am led to believe that opinion is still allowed on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I won't be voting for Mr Griffin and his ramshackle socialist party however. Â I did not for one second think you would be, Asp. You may be strange and mysterious to the rest of us, but all sailors know bilge when they come across it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Name calling tends to be a substitute for rational arguement. However, it would seem 22% of folk now support those nobheads - so get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 At least we agree that they are nobheads, that's a step forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Still sticking up for the BNP Obs, don't UKIP give you enough, are they not hard line enough on immigration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Not sure that they wil be around for much longer, they've been told to pay back an illegal donation. Maybe their MEPs will have to bail them out............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 If UKIP is a banger in the midst of a complacent political establishment, the more odious BNP is an hand-grenade - a much better shock factor. However, judging by Jack Straw's performance the other night, he's much more concerned with point scoring against the questionable reputation of the BNP, than addressing the issues that increased their support - IE. Immigration - upon which he's in complete denial. So, the balls in the court of the mainstream parties, begin to reflect the concerns and aspirations of the WWC or see them shift their vote accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 So you hole heartedly agree with the BNPs immigration stance  A yes or no will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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