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From the news pages of WWW:

 

http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2015/12/15/another-netto-store-for-warrington/

 

Although the story is about the building of another Netto store, it reveals that the new store is coming at the expense of The Sportsmans Arms in Penketh.  Of course Penketh is sorely in need of a supermarket, only having the 2 (yes that's TWO) Co-op stores and a Tesco Express.

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Sadly traditional pubs are a dying breed - although a popular Pub the sportsmans has not been profitable for eight years apparently!!!

Meanwhile there seems to be an increasing demand for a variety of small discount supermarkets - which have also killed off most little corner shops.

We live in a changing world.

If the local community spent their hard earned money in the local pub, instead of buying cheap alcohol in cut prize discount stories this story would never have happened.

It is called supply and demand.

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That's only part of the story Obs. You might as well blame the breathalyser.............................

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there is no smoking ban, simply a place to smoke that doesn't harm non smokers is provided.  The disparity between pub prices and supermarket prices have a bigger impact.

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there is no smoking ban, simply a place to smoke that doesn't harm non smokers is provided.  The disparity between pub prices and supermarket prices have a bigger impact.

Try walking into a pub smoking a fag!.

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I believe the Coop have had an upturn in their fortunes by going back to local convenience stores & there was an article on the NW News tonight about an increase in micro breweries especially in the Manchester area.

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When it was announced in March that there was going to be a Netto in Lymm, the residents of Spam Valley went ballistic, "Oh, how common! We don't want one of those around here!"

No such uproar this time, the locals are just peeved about losing the pub, score one to the level headed citizens of Penketh.

And the Netto PR department, of course.

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We had our Christmas party last night and ended up doing a mini pub crawl. I know Tuesday night would normally be quiet but several of the pubs we went into were either completely empty or had just two or three people in them. We debated this and everyone present agreed that the smoking ban was the main cause of the decline. As for cheap booze in the supermarkets and off licences, I'd buy into that apart from the fact that my daughter who is forty next month used to get cheap booze from the off licence before going out on the town and that had to be twenty years ago!

 

 

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you can still smoke at pubs, just outside where most have made special areas for you.  There is no ban there is a reasonable expectation that you don't harm others with your habit.  It's not a big ask, walk a few yards.

 

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Errm NO. The LAW prohibits smoking in "enclosed spaces", so no smoking inside the pub, where you've gone for a drink as against outside the pub in the rain etc. Without going over old ground, sufficient to say that the ban closed the pubs, over 50% since it was introduced. Yes, folk can get cheap ale from the S/Market, but they could before the smoking ban.

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The smokers can still smoke, they just have to go where they are provided a proper space to do so,  you wouldn't crap on the carpets, you would go to the appropriate place provided to save stinking up the pub, well at least I hope so.  No ban,  just a few yards away from where you used to smoke.  the disparity between supermarket and pub prices has never been so great and we have been in a recession so every little helps.

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Errm, smokers can't smoke INSIDE the pub, in which they purchase and consume their booze, so not allowed. A few yards, can be from shelter into the elements, and some puritans even moan about smokers near doorways, making them cough - tut tut.   So thanks to the ban, less folk use pubs = less pubs.  :roll:

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That's probably why people would prefer to have a supermarket on the site than a pub. Mind you I've never yet been in a supermarket where you can socialise over a pint or two and watch the match...............................

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So if having to smoke outside is responsible for the closure of all the pubs, can you explain the proliferation of bookmaking shops over the same period of time, where the same rules apply?

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I don't think the smoking ban has caused a decline in local pubs at all. 

Like PJ says people can easily walk outside and have a cig if they want too and most pubs these days have covered outdoor areas for smokers too and some are even heated and quite cozy looking.

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So would you spend a night out in a "cozy looking" shelter ?  Bookmakers aren't particularly full; most folk do there bets and leave, some will even do their bets at home first - so not quite the same thing.  Fact is, the demise of the Pub coincided with the smoking ban, over 50% closed in the first year. Of course the myopic policy makers who caused it, can congratulate themselves whilst having a pint and a fag, in the House of Commons Bar !  :wink:    This was simply yet another example of the law of unintended consequences, where dogma is allowed to dictate policy - result, the demise of "the Pub". 

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So would you spend a night out in a "cozy looking" shelter ?  Bookmakers aren't particularly full; most folk do there bets and leave, some will even do their bets at home first - so not quite the same thing.  Fact is, the demise of the Pub coincided with the smoking ban, over 50% closed in the first year. Of course the myopic policy makers who caused it, can congratulate themselves whilst having a pint and a fag, in the House of Commons Bar !  :wink:

 

Nonsense, many gamblers spend hours in the bookies and they go outside for a cig.  Why do you think it ok to impose your habit and its harmful effects on others?  Do as you are told, go outside and light up or do like many do, buy your booze and fags at Tesco and stink out your own house.

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Amazing that the new netto in lymm has been such a success in just a few weeks, given the uproar that surrounded the announcement of who it was that was opening there. Always seems to have a full car park when i have passed it of an evening.

 

And on a slight tangent, see that work has started on clearing the site for the lidl/kfc on land near the pink eye round about. Looks like the council's original objections have been sorted out to everybodies satisfaction. :wink: ;-)

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Amazing that the new netto in lymm has been such a success in just a few weeks, given the uproar that surrounded the announcement of who it was that was opening there. Always seems to have a full car park when i have passed it of an evening.

 

And on a slight tangent, see that work has started on clearing the site for the lidl/kfc on land near the pink eye round about. Looks like the council's original objections have been sorted out to everybodies satisfaction. :wink: ;-)

The uproar was generated by out of town wannabee news hounds who picked on a couple of people and then chose limited bits of what they said. The vast majority of people in Lymm had no issue with a Netto - hence it seems to be doing well.

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The uproar was generated by out of town wannabee news hounds who picked on a couple of people and then chose limited bits of what they said. The vast majority of people in Lymm had no issue with a Netto - hence it seems to be doing well.

I'm not sure if it wasn't a bit generated by a Warrington Worldwide article headed 

Anger as discount supermarket group moves in 

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I'm not sure if it wasn't a bit generated by a Warrington Worldwide article headed 

Anger as discount supermarket group moves in 

There was anger from some - but not the majority - nothing wrong with the headline as it was reported at the time.

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I was under the impression that smokers were supposed to be so many yards away from any entrance to the pub--the landlord of a pub in St,Helens has been fined £1000  for allowing a smoker in the porch of the pub --after a few warnings.

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