wolfie Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Sounds as if the wolf man has had enough and is closing the topic. How do you get that idea? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 No chance of that with the Witch Finder General eh?! Â If I was a witch finder general you would be the first on my ducking stool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Especially if I failed to learn the Koran eh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Especially if I failed to learn the Koran eh?! Â First thing you have to do is learn to spell it correctly! Copy one thousand times - Qur'an Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 .. and if I can't get it right, will you beat me with a stick?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 No I won't you kinky bugger! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Should this be stopped or should we allow on the understanding that with anything like this all money made should go to help victims of these people, or should the money be spent treating these people would like to know your opinions. or anything like this ban   you can read the story here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 It's the point of your post's that's questionable not the event.   wolfie don’t be Paranoid when I say people say it’s not aimed at you or any one on here not everything avowals a round you mate  I think you have been very respectful with the topic and with me not like on others topic I thank you for that and your views have been taken on board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 As an art lover, if I am looking at a piece of artwork, be it painting or sculpture, my mind is focused on what I am looking at and not on it's creator. The same with music, I listen to the music and do not think about the composer. I appreciate any piece of art that pleases my senses with no regards or thoughts for it's creator. Therefor, I would have to sit on the fence at any suggestion that something should be removed because of something that it's creator had done in their life, whatever it might have been. If we went all the way back in time and considered the lives of every artist of any media we would be bound to find some 'skeleton in the cupboard' of most of them. They were all human with human failings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Quite right to, but it's not tara that's saying it. It's simply a cut and paste job of editorial comments that if anyone was interested in they would have already have read. Â if you look in the cut and paste you see my comments to the point i was looking at why put up the fullstory but hay ill put the full link up no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 cleo if i can call you cleo ....i have to Agree with you there on sum but money made off someone like this should they be allowed to keep it! I my self don’t know. if we did not or ban we would have to look at all peoples background just like Oscar Wilde to say for one, before any one says he was not a pedo you are right but talking about not having a clean as clean background Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Well I wouldn't say being gay was dirty. He happened to be a gay man who fell in love with another gay man Arthur Douglas, known as Bosie, and they formed a loving relationship together even though at that time being homosexual was illegal but that is another story. The bad tempered Marquess of Queensberry, John Sholto Douglas, an eccentric and arrogant man and father of Arthur Douglas, was quite friendly with Wilde when Arthur first introduced them to each other but over time Queensberry began to be suspicious about the relationship between his son and Wild and demanded that his son ended the relationship with Wild and have nothing more to do with him but he refused to do so. To say the least, things became acrimonious between father and son and father and Wilde culminating in Wilde sueing Queensberry for libel. Big mistake. Queensberry had the cards stacked up against Wilde with a number of Wildes' previous amores ready to give evidence of their affairs with him. As a result Wilde was arrested and brought to trial on a charge of being homosexual. He was sentenced to two years in Reading Jail. Interesting that Bosie was never put on trial for his part in the relationship. However, disowned by his father, Arthur maintained his relationship with Wilde and they lived together after Wilde's release from prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 If is alleged victims wanted compensation, they should have taken him to court when he was alive, they should not be allowed to claim from his estate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 It's over a year since he died and I remember at the time it being reported that he's left ALL his money to charities (apart from a few £1000 to family/friends).  How come the money hasn't already been given to the charities which it mustn't have been or there would be no estate to now freeze for inevitable claims.  Personally I don't think a lot of his victims should get £'s compensation either and I'd like to think that they wouldn't ask for it knowing that they are taking money that hospital charities etc etc should be getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 but talking about not having a clean as clean background   By your standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 If is alleged victims wanted compensation, they should have taken him to court when he was alive, they should not be allowed to claim from his estate. Â Let it not be forgotten that some girls were brave enough to report the thing called savile. The police may have believed them enough to take it to the Crown Prosecution Service. Some burk there decided not to prosecute for lack of evidence, not just once but several times. So if those girls were not believed by the CPS but obviously believed by the investigating police can you wonder that others at the time feared they would not be believed? Their word against a popular celebrity, rich enough to hire the services of top barristers. Lets not forget also that some thirty/forty years ago sex was not as openly discussed as it is today, so those kids would maybe have been too embarrassed as well as afraid to talk to someone about the abuses. But since his death some victims have felt more able to report the sordid abuse they suffered at the hands of the thing called savile. And learning that there were others who suffered the same abuse others have found the courage to come forward too. I seriously doubt that compensation was the foremost incentive for them coming forward. As for them being after compensation I doubt any award would be made from the estate of the dead thing called savile but rather from the criminal compensation dept. But monies may be drawn from the money it left after it's death to cover exppenses occured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Funny how compen seems to solve everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 But does it? Bet you wouldn't refuse any compensation if Jim had fixed it for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Just saying, that's basically what these things are all about at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 So do tell. Would you want compensation if you had been fiddled with? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Wouldn't receipt of money, imply some form of delayed prostitution? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Good grief, I think I've heard it all now. You are a plonker Obs without a doubt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 In good company on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 He sure is Asperity. Now he's inferring that the abused kids are/were/will be prostitutes. How low can the man go? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 It's over a year since he died and I remember at the time it being reported that he's left ALL his money to charities (apart from a few £1000 to family/friends).  How come the money hasn't already been given to the charities which it mustn't have been or there would be no estate to now freeze for inevitable claims.  Personally I don't think a lot of his victims should get £'s compensation either and I'd like to think that they wouldn't ask for it knowing that they are taking money that hospital charities etc etc should be getting.  Possibly because it is taking so long to collate all the assets he left. For instance he had several properties throughout the country (not just two or three) and some in other countries, which need to be sold off. Plus he instructed that his personal property be sold off too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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