observer Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Errm, no Cleo; I'm referring to the act of taking money as compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Well what should they take as compensation? Bananas? Glass beads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 By your standards.    no not at all........its by a court of law. found Guilty by jury. every one keeps saying Innocent till found guilty in court. never overturned   today things have changed for the better today thank god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Cleo, Â You can not prosecute someone if their is a lack of evidence, How many of these people now claiming Jim fixed t for them, would get past the evidence test in a court of law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 If there was not sufficient evidence then the instruction should have been given to get more evidenc, not instructions to drop it. Alarm bells should have been ringing loud and clear when the savile thing was interviewed after accusations from different girls and evidence presented to the CPS not just once but several times but instead they said drop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 In all this I think victims should get compensation not from him or his estate all that should go to the charities. But come from any corporate organisation that did know about him but failed to act upon it. Even down to the CPS, police, government, BBC, NHs  Lawyer should clam off the same all they will be doing is taking it away from charities to we really want to be seeing that if its not going to anyone by all means take 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 dont know if you have seen this story i think this ia an open and down to earth report by James Rhodes called "Outrage at Jimmy Savile conceals the fact that our culture encourages paedophilia. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about"  i hope you will take the time to read it and any veiws welocme  link to the story here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I don't agree that they should get compensation from the BBC,NHS ect, as it would be the tax payer that is paying in the end, if they wanted compensation they should have come forward when he was alive, so he could have been tried in a court of law, perhaps if they had come forward in the number they seem to be coming forward now, they might have got justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 looking at it a lot did but nothing was done so you have to ask your self why was that? they are all still telling the same facts ? so who was not listeing ? the BBC did know and did nothing. also could it be time that the tax payer did not pay for the now  also lets look at this at the time a lot thought they where the only ones this had happend too. the BBC CPS and police where the ones who did know it had happened to more  Victims only think that something like this only happens to them no other so how can the mass come forward unless one they are listened too and two we listen and act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Thing is, kije, from many of your postings it's pretty obvious that you don't think anyone should get anything more than you and yours, eh what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 The difference between you and myself Cleo, is I believe in the justice system, If the victims wanted justice and compensation they should have gone for it when he was alive. If they had done it in the numbers that are coming forward now they might have been believed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Well my dear kije, it seems that they are being believed even now, if not by you then by the police and a great percentage of the population. I am never going to accept what you say. You are never going to accept what I say so, all in all, pointless discussing this further with you. Amin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 The difference between you and myself Cleo, is I believe in the justice system, If the victims wanted justice and compensation they should have gone for it when he was alive. If they had done it in the numbers that are coming forward now they might have been believed. Â Â sorry but they are believed no as said they are not or have i missed something ? thats why the police are acting ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 In that case Cleo, what's to stop me from waiting until you die, accuse you of something then make a claim against your estate , or if I die first you make a claim against mine. Â Thinking about it might be worth looking at obituaries for rich dead people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted November 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 sorry Lt Kije i think you got that Reply in stereo sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 My dear kije, when I die you can claim anything of mine you want but you won't get it. Once all my property is sold in the uk there will be nothing there you will be able to claim and there would be no point in you trying to claim anything from Egypt, different laws, different rules, they would just laugh at you. You have nothing I could want of yours after you have popped your clogs. But having said that, when I have cast of this mortal coil and taken my rightful place in paradise you will have no way of knowing. So, a pointless question really, eh what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 No problem Tara Dad  If we allow compensation claims like these, I just think we are opening a big can of worms, I have every sympathy for the alleged victims, I just think they have left it to late for justice. Yes their should be an investigation, if nothing else it might stop it happening again. But I am against claims on the estate when their can be no trail and no real justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 The big can of worms was already opened when it came to light about the sordid activities of the dead thing called savile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 You should not be able to claim against the estate without a trail, If they wanted justice they should have taken the opportunity when he was alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Here's a point to ponder about the victims being believed. At the onset of these recent revelations the family of the dead thing called savile refused to accept that it, the thing called savile, had done what had been claimed and strenuously denied the claims but now have changed their minds, believing the accusations and are now attempting to estrange themselves from him. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 So what, in British law you remain innocent until proven guilty. In my opinion Cleo he had a case to answer, but he isn't going to answer it now is he. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Nope he isn't gonna answer it but he is as guilty as sin. You know it. I know it. The whole country knows it. No need for 12 men and women to tell us what we all know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 That might be the way the justice system works in Egypt, guilty if enough people say you are but not in this country. Which might be why our justice system is respected in the World and the Egyptian system is not. Crowd justice is not justice it is Lynch mob hang em high justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I think that Kije is defending Jimmy because when he was a kid, Jim fixed for him to milk a cow blinfolded in a BBC dressing room..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 If you had read my posts Baz you would know that I am not supporting Jim at all, I just do not agree with mob justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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