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because  a.  we aren't out yet

and b. wealth is relative.  i imagine that even a post Brexit Britain is going to be better than a war torn country, well I hope so but am beginning to wonder.

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does anyone think the French may be a tad less incentivised to carry out our border control for us once we leave the E.U. ?   

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2 hours ago, P J said:

does anyone think the French may be a tad less incentivised to carry out our border control for us once we leave the E.U. ?   

Not really I suspect it is more to do with ensuring the operation of the French controlled Eurotunnel than any matter of principle.

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2 hours ago, Confused52 said:

Not really I suspect it is more to do with ensuring the operation of the French controlled Eurotunnel than any matter of principle.

I disagree.

 

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Wow! The desperation stakes are really hotting up & the economic outlook is bleaker than ever unless we adopt the gospel of St Theresa. Beginning to look more & more like 2 years of a negotiated stitch up ,designed to take us even further into Euro vassalage.

 

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What we suspected from the beginning Dave; and now Corbyn seems to be going for another referendum (must have done his electoral sums!).  There's a legal argument now in train, that suggests that article 50 cannot be revoked unilaterally by the UK (according to EU lawyers).  This would mean we go out on their terms (May's deal) and vassalage with no say OR we re-apply to join, with the loss of the rebate and imposition of the Euro.  Either way - defeat and humiliation. 

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So the Turkeys have voted for Christmas, despite being told all along that we would be worse of out, still they went into denial and I doubt it will ever be accepted by the more rabid Brextremists, even if the country went bankrupt they would bury their heads in the sand.  Looking forward to the extra billions for our NHS lol.

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Dave, TM went in weak from the start, in an effort to appease both sides, and failing both.  What we have now, is the screaming of defeatist snowflakes and the continued doom and gloom message from the Remoaners.  If things are going to be so bad, they need to tell all those illegal migrants risking life and limb to get here, plus the three million EU migrants gagging to stay here !  Obviously, the gene pool has been weakened since 1940 !   😉

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43 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Dave, TM went in weak from the start, in an effort to appease both sides, and failing both.  What we have now, is the screaming of defeatist snowflakes and the continued doom and gloom message from the Remoaners.  If things are going to be so bad, they need to tell all those illegal migrants risking life and limb to get here, plus the three million EU migrants gagging to stay here !  Obviously, the gene pool has been weakened since 1940 !   😉

 

43 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Dave, TM went in weak from the start, in an effort to appease both sides, and failing both.  What we have now, is the screaming of defeatist snowflakes and the continued doom and gloom message from the Remoaners.  If things are going to be so bad, they need to tell all those illegal migrants risking life and limb to get here, plus the three million EU migrants gagging to stay here !  Obviously, the gene pool has been weakened since 1940 !   😉

Thank you for proving my point so superbly

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.. and now we have the nonsense of a TV "debate" between TM and JC,  both "Remainers";  with even more Remoaners, in the form of Sturgeon and Cable, carping from the side lines, claiming a place in the show, that they won't let go.   We've had the vote between Remain or Leave, the result was Leave;  now the only debate should be - between May's deal or No Deal.

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Can anybody explain why when a government minister resigns his post he still has a job in government. Yet were i to resign my post in private employment i would be escorted from the premises by a member of HR and security and have to sign on the dole and look for another one? 🤔

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He is not listed as a government minister but of course he is still an MP. Government ministers being appointed by the PM whilst MPs are summoned by the sovereign. I am pretty sure that if he tries to get into BEIS without an appointment he will not succeed!

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Interesting that the "yellow vests" are rioting in France and Belgium, over increasing taxation - taxation that will no doubt increase even more if we finally grow the gonads for a no deal Brexit, leaving a 20% hole in the EU budget.

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Well.hearing soundbites from Tusk & his chums about "no deal no brexit" sounds like the EU has already got us over  a barrel . Walking away is sounding more attractive every day.

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Don't normally stick my nose in here but the EU have more problems then Brexit, there is Italy, France, Greece, Hungry all are presenting problems to the EU.

As for Brexit, I voted to leave but if I had to choose stay or leave on Mrs May's terms I rather stay.

But nothing has changed from a few years ago when the UK voted to leave, the fact that a lot of people come here needing resources such as roads, houses, medical treatment, schools policing, yet there is no money in the UK to pay for any of these things. It seems the only thing the UK can afford is a ever increasing EU and a foreign aid bill.

A bit off topic but: Macron has been calling for a more integrated closer EU led by Germany and France (he used to include Italy in these calls) can anyone exp-lain why Macron thinks France is in any position to be a EU leader?

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On 11/27/2018 at 3:21 PM, P J said:

does anyone think the French may be a tad less incentivised to carry out our border control for us once we leave the E.U. ?   

It is not necessary to use the French ports.

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France has special ties with Germany since capitulating in WW2  & the Vichy government. After giving De Gaulle a safe springboard for the Free French forces ,the viper soon turned against Britain. Snakes in the grass too many of the French.

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6 hours ago, Milky said:

It is not necessary to use the French ports.

you completely missed the point,  the poor folk at Calais are still going to want to try to get here,  will the French vigilance be able to be relied upon as it is now once we plunge into isolation?

 

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3 hours ago, P J said:

you completely missed the point,  the poor folk at Calais are still going to want to try to get here,  will the French vigilance be able to be relied upon as it is now once we plunge into isolation?

 

OK, Should pay more attention before commenting in the future.

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