observer Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Should religion have any bearing on the way we're governed? Call me Dave seems to think the Church should be more vocal in imparting a sense of morality throughout society and is talking about tax breaks for married couples, in order to encourage traditional standards to life styles and relationships. And if organised religion shouldn't be a part of our political governance; is it time that their automatic access to representation in the House of Lords was ended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 The Lib-Dems don't think so. Now there's a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 OBS It maybe a case of pouring oil on troubled water and depends on the ecclesiastical chemical bonding and the severity of the political storm. It all depends on how extreme, fanatical that the proposals are: Just found this quote on Wiki The terms extremism or extremist are almost always exonymic — i.e. applied by others to a group rather than by a group labelling itself. Rather than labelling themselves extremist, those labelled as such might describe themselves as, for example, political radicals. There is no political party that calls itself "right-wing extremist" or "left-wing extremist", and there is no sect of any religion that calls itself "extremist" or which calls its doctrine "extremism I think that you need to be very careful mixing the two - some can do it well but history shows that it can be fraught with problems. Politics and religion are a bit like catalysts and when combined can cause an uncontrollable reaction. It doesn’t mean you can mix them but it does mean you have to take great care whatever you mix them with. A bit like your goodself OBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Well that was utter confused nonesense Geoff; best stick to litter picking! First thing to ask: is there a correlation between morality and organised religion? And a quick flick through any history book will dismiss that theory. However, the next question is: should governance have a moral compass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 should governance have a moral compass? Yes it should. anybody in a governing body should refrain from Immoral acts such as theft,adultery,falsehoods etc. trouble is if you eliminate from government all those who do not qualify under the above then who will run the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Keep religion out of politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Agreed.. and also keep politics out of religion.. and also local matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Who will rid me of this turbulent priest? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 You only have to look at the Northern Ireland problem to see that religion and politics are the catalyst for civil unrest!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Slightly tongue in cheek. They can mix. Take every foreigner who enters this country to church. Baptise them - and they will never be seen again. Good politics. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Thought "church" was where they were getting their sham marriages from?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Re fundamentalists - I have never met any believer who is as unwielding and unwilling to listen to another's point of view, and as determined to push their doctrine as many atheists are. Organised religion has no place in our legislature - and the bishops should be removed frpom the house of lords* along with all the other political placemen and herditary legacies, and that, definitely, includes those convicted of fiddling their expenses who are free to waltz back in. If you aint been voted in you shouldn;t be there. Merry Xmas * which should be fully elected and be accountable through the ballot box with members facing re-elcetion every five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Re fundamentalists - I have never met any believer who is as unwielding and unwilling to listen to another's point of view, and as determined to push their doctrine as many atheists are. Organised religion has no place in our legislature - and the bishops should be removed frpom the house of lords* along with all the other political placemen and herditary legacies, and that, definitely, includes those convicted of fiddling their expenses who are free to waltz back in. If you aint been voted in you shouldn;t be there. Merry Xmas * which should be fully elected and be accountable through the ballot box with members facing re-elcetion every five years. Now where have we heard that before and which poster said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I like the house of Lords. Much more common sense than the lower house, as I believe wisdom comes with age. The thought of an elected house of lords fills me with horror. They would merely be government puppets. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Agree with every word HH. And the old dodderers are unpaid apart from reasonable expenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Is this what you two mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Completely agree with Mr Tessla, I would go further get rid of the house of lords and replace it with something democratic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Do you realise that practically most of what we have today is a result of people wanting something different in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Seems to me, that folk don't like the House of Lords because they question what the muppets say. Isn't that what they are supposed to do? Surely, you can't want people rubber stamping what the idiots pass to get the popular vote. Or is that what the Liberals do anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Peter, I want a democracy, and not people who's ancestors fought for William the Conqueror! , and think they have a Devine right to pass laws. The least that can be done into get rid of the last of the hereditary peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Peter, I want a democracy, and not people who's ancestors fought for William the Conqueror! , and think they have a Devine right to pass laws. The least that can be done into get rid of the last of the hereditary peers. Wonderbar. lol. I wasn't referring to you. However, has life been that bad for you that you want someone else to control it? Has the fact that not being in the Euro totally ruined your life? Has the fact that a foreign country wants to change your laws made things look better? Sadly, we should have listened to de Gaul's "NON" instead of buying in to a "Common Market" that has now become a Federal State of Europe. Get real. Clegg wants it because of his European family connections, not because it is good for the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Neil Kinnock likes it.... and his wife.... and his daughter.... and her husband ..... and that fag Mandelson..... the gravy train runneth o0ver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Get real Peter, as most of our trade is with Europe and our banks have money invested in Europe we are in it, leaving the EU would be bad for manufacturing and the city? Deutsche Bank AG is one of the biggest employers in the city of London, they could and probably would move to Frankfurt if we were out of the EU. You would not need many banks to leave the city for them to loose their place as the biggest outside of Wall Street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Get real Peter, as most of our trade is with Europe 50% or less actually, but let's not let facts get in the way!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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