Lucy Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I hear on the radio that primary schools are going to start teaching that violence against women and girls is wrong. Would have thought this lesson should have been given by parents before children even get to school. But I trust the lessons will also stress that violence against men and boys is also wrong or I suspect we will have vast numbers of women and girls using this initiative to their own advantage. It's rather ironic that this news comes at the same time as the story about men complaining about being "bullied" by their female bosses and several murder cases where women have bumped off their menfolk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 totally beyond me how a bloke can get bullied by a woman..... unless he is of a sensitive nature of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Anyone spring to mind Baz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 I wouldn't dare to tell Eagle!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Think the situation is much more complex than is being portrayed; folk can establish dominance over others by physical superiority, mental superiority or by virtue of their position of power in a given enviroment. Traditionally, men have established dominance by virtue of their superior physical strength (hence this latest topic); but that neglects reference to how some men can be reduced to mice by a bunny boiler. There is now the new phenomenon of "ladettes" beating up "wimps" while on a night out - so not a black and white issue. I would suggest that an inability to compromise could arise from the "spoilt brat" syndrome, where folk have been brought up to expect everything they want? It's also interesting that the number of female peadophiles is on the increase: that a 4 year old was recently expelled from school for "assaulting" his teacher - in our PC world - the mind boggles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 totally beyond me how a bloke can get bullied by a woman..... unless he is of a sensitive nature of course! Maggie bullied every male member of her cabinet, and Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 A masochistic tendency brought about by a public school upbringing?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 but aren't all married men bullied, it's called NAGGING. (grabs tin hat and heads for nearest fallout shelter) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 totally beyond me how a bloke can get bullied by a woman..... unless he is of a sensitive nature of course! If a bloke retaliates towards a woman's bullying, then he's always judged to be in the wrong. If he stands and takes it, he's seen as a wimp. There may be reasons why he can't just walk away from the situation - kids, if it's domestic, needing the job if it's at work. He's in a no-win situation, and some women - knowing that decent blokes are brought up to never, ever, under any circumstances, raise their hand to a woman - exploit this to make themselves feel powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 But surely in these days of equal rights, it is now OK to give a lady a right hook, just as you would a bloke!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Problem is that teaching children that violence is bad is all well and good...they then go home and watch it on TV and video games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Problem is that teaching children that violence is bad is all well and good...they then go home and watch it on TV and video games. And that is one of todays main problems. They do not get smacked and therefore do not know what pain is, and think that what they watch is for real. Come back Mary Whitehouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Surely a measure of "bullying" or "violence" is the natural order of life with any pack animal? The Alpha-male (DAD) takes precedence in the pecking order, followed by the Alpha-female (MOM), followed by their cubs - everyone understands it and conforms accordingly - alas, that's in what used to be called a "nuclear" family. The whole thing being held together by what's described nowadays as "hard love"; with clear divisions of labour and responsibility, and clearly established boundaries of behaviour - where NO means NO. Unfortunately, such a "family" arrangement appears to be scarce today; with no alpha-male role model in situ, just a series of visiting "uncles", a stressed out alpha female, trying to cloth and feed a load of sqawking kids, with high expectations of what they want (not necessarily need); inspired by a world of material advertising, the delivery of which compensates for love. Such high material expectations then transfer to the new generation, who in the harsh realities of the real world, discover that all their "wants" can't be sated, which leads to conflict with their "partners". The lack of authoritive "violence (a smack), imo leads to the development of spoilt brats, who grow up with a socio-pathic understanding of their rights and wants, without an understanding of their responsibilities or the boundaries set by the realities of life and the need for restraint in the wider interest of social cohesion or in modern parlance - social skills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Good posting Obs, but if your grand-parents could have posted yonks ago, they would be commenting on the same thing. Things were never that good; things aren't that bad. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I'm not suggesting they were or are H; floating fatherhood and illigitimacy isn't a new phenomenon, although perhaps now more socially acceptable in our neo-liberal wonderland. What I am suggesting is, that a strong family enviroment with traditional role models can mould individuals capable of self respect and the respect of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Can,t argue with a word of that. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Maybe the schools could concentrate on reducing inflated and fancyfull expectancy in adult life, and concentrate on working at a stable relationship in the face of the harsh realities of life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Old fashioned view, but the schools should do little more than educate. Bit fanciful in this day and age though. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Unfortunately we have possibly two lost generations now, recycling their disfunctional lifestyles, so perhaps if kids can't glean wisdom from parents and grand-parents, perhaps there is a case for some form of external formative influence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Lucy, Senator Paul Wellstone from Minnesota and his wife Sheila created a foundation to promote an end to domestic violence. Oddly they are promoting a video of a wedding procession dance where the music is provided by Chris Brown, a person known to have committed great physical harm on his girl friend. Hey, did I see this on the Forum? I think I did. Anyway, it bears repeating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8DCt3Lmi28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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