observer Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 Well that's certainly got my vote Baz! Yer right, we're so wrapped up in HR nonesense and undermanned Departments, that by the time the paperwork catches up with an assylum case, the guy has sired half a dozen sprogs and is playing happy families. As I've been saying all through this thread, the response has to be swift and immediate at the point of entry or apprehension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted June 2, 2011 Report Share Posted June 2, 2011 ..... As I've been saying all through this thread, the response has to be swift and immediate at the point of entry or apprehension. Ahh I'm in the wrong topic. This ones not about inmates and the right's to a family is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2011 Partly - more ECHR surreal nonesense hamstringing any chance of our democratic system delivering on the aspirations of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Peter the virtual amnesty that Obs has mentioned came about under this regime not the last one. Are you sure your not a Tory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Peter the virtual amnesty that Obs has mentioned came about under this regime not the last one. Are you sure your not a Tory Read between the lines, not over them. My understanding is that the paperwork got lost under Labour, which has caused this "lot" to give a virtual amnesty. Plus, we said a few years ago that people were coming in illegally and getting lost in various towns, and when it hit the headlines, Labour denied it. Any MP virtually straight from Uni cannot be trusted to do the right things as they have no University of Life experience. But I guess as a true Lib-Dem supporter, it is the party that counts regardless as to whether they are any good or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Is this topic a record? It started on 18 April 2007 and is now 68 pages long and is still going strong with no agreement being reached on who is to blame or how to stop it. I wonder how many illegal immigrants have entered the country in the time that you have all been chatting about it and whether they are all reading this Maybe that's why we get so many foreign spammers and chancers registering... they are just testing the water to see how long it takes to be 'removed' post edited as I originally put 67 but meant 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 It would seem to be an insurmountable problem as there is no check on people leaving the country and therefore no way of knowing if anyone who has entered the country has actually left again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 This might help you Peter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13632920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 Good grief..... and it's risen by 100k since the coalition took over so they are just as bad if not worse than labour considering the time scale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 It's like I said Dizzy, the problem is uncontrollable. We have no control over our borders because we no longer have a border. We are part of the EUSSR and a dumping ground for anyone no-one else wants. Shall we do the sensible thing? Not while any of the major parties have their way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 asperity, you sound more like Obs every day, The UK is not party to the Schengen agreement we do have control over our borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 We have control over our borders do we LT.... in that case then why have we got so many illagal immigrants and spongers over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Sorry Diz, I was just countering Asperity blaming the Eu, if the UK government invested in the UK Border force we would catch more, it is down to the UK not the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Oh sorry. Aren't we part of the EU though and most things 'EU' seem to come back and slap us in the face big style sooner or later:? If we (the UK) caught more at our borders what exactly would we (the UK) do with them as we may be contravening their human rights etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 The answer to that question is Dizzy, What did we do with them before the Human Rights act, I think you will find not alot has changed, Its just Obs has something to blame now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 asperity, you sound more like Obs every day, The UK is not party to the Schengen agreement we do have control over our borders. There are no checks on people leaving the country. So if someone enters the country with a visa legally there is no check that they have left the country when the visa expires. Understand?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Is that down to the EU or the UK asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Asp... are you saying that it is pointless going through all the checks at UK airports on an outbound journey as you aren't really checked at all I'm confused now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 It is down to the fact that we no longer have a national government. The idea that the load of spongers sitting in Westminster, Edinburgh and Belfast are in control of anything that happens in this once nation is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I do not disagree on your last point asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Asp... are you saying that it is pointless going through all the checks at UK airports on an outbound journey as you aren't really checked at all I'm confused now. You don't get checked out of the country by Immigration Dizzy, and they only check that your UK passport is valid when you come back in. However if you are a UK citizen and don't have a passport they can't stop you coming in, although you might have difficulty getting on the plane in the first place without one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Just as an after thought... and one that I will now bore you with. Years ago (20 ish) we flew to Canada to stay with relatives and part way through the hols drove over the border into New York for 2 days. We had to have a visa to do that (a short stay one). We then drove back into Canada through the scarey road border control where they even questioned the cost of the new shoes our aunt (who lived in canada) was wearing as we hadn't declared buying any shoes)), They were very strict and very big too We then continued to enjoy the remaining hols in Canada and flew home from there. A few years later we both flew from Manchester to Florida and went through passport control there. I was stopped and they said at first I couldn't go in as I still had an unsurrendered visa so in effect I was already IN their country Apparently I should have handed it in the last time but no-one ever told me but as it was still stapled in my passport they removed it, did a few checks, and finally me go through. NOW... the big scarey blokes on the New York border had seen me leave and checked everything (apart from ripping my stub out) and then me and my passport had been checked again to fly from Canada to the UK so surely they must have known I had GONE Seemed not ! Gosh they could have had two of me So maybe the UK is just 20+ years behind and at the level the USA was at then until they got tougher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Asp... are you saying that it is pointless going through all the checks at UK airports on an outbound journey as you aren't really checked at all I'm confused now. You don't get checked out of the country by Immigration Dizzy, and they only check that your UK passport is valid when you come back in. However if you are a UK citizen and don't have a passport they can't stop you coming in, although you might have difficulty getting on the plane in the first place without one Kije, in effect you do get checked out of the country as I believe that every carrier is obliged to inform the government via border agency etc. who is on their planes, coaches, trains etc. which are exiting.... so even though you may not officially be stamped out, I would challenge the notion that they don't know where you are.....after all, after 13 years of Nu Liebours Big Brother society, do you really think they wouldn't know who is leaving? It is the buggers that come in that they can't seem to control! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I would take issue with that Baz. The carrier may be giving the border agency the number of people on each plane/ship/train, and perhaps even the names, they don't record your identity document (passport). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 It is the buggers that come in that they can't seem to control! So what should we do, send them back??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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