observer Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Well we can turn that little piece of pathetic name calling on it's head Kyje; by saying that anyone who votes for the main Parties after this exibition of slurping at the trough is an idiot, and anyone advocating support for them is clearly a fool. As for the immigration issue; methinks you must be cut off from all forms of information (don't happen to live in a lighthouse do you?); there are hundreds of wannabee illegal entrants to the UK in Patras and outside Calais, living in camps (illegally), and no one is making any effort to deport them. The ones that reach the Canaries, are held for a few months, and if they don't give their point of origin, are released into the European population, to travel where they please, as no internal border passport checks apply. Then of course, we have the phoney "college" scam, where so-called "international" students come over here (welcomed by this Government), to attend colleged sited on top of a take-away - though "attend" is the wrong word - as most just melt into OUR society - thus leaving an estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants wandering the street of the UK without this Government knowing who or where they are. And when and if they are caught, usually for a criminal offence, they arn't deported but are housed in our prisons at tax-payers expense - around 25% of the prison population. Then let's not forget the "legal" entrants, courtesy of the EU and this Government's "open door" policy for bringing in cheap labour; overloading local services at Council Tax payers expense. The main Parties "lost it" a long time ago, and this Government have turned this once proud Nation into a global laughing stock - thanks to liberal PC dreamers who are strangers to reality. [/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazj Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 "It's all lies I tell you.... there are no immigrants in Calais queuing to get to England.... they have all been allocated equally around Europe by our wonderful European Union" Sgt Kije..... European Minister for Propaganda ..... Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nice one obs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 You have missed the point  Having a zero tolerance would not stop the camps outside the UK, they would just be bigger  You could say that the camps outside the UK are a testament to what a good job our borders are doing, but the Mail and other RIGHT WING press never print that, The trouble with you Observer nothing on this issue will ever change your blinkered mind. We all know your view, you are entrenched. so why keep posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I keep posting because folk like you, just don't get it! The camps at Calais and Patras wouldn't even exist, if these EU Countries did their job and DEPORTED these "illegals" as soon as they arrive. We wouldn't have 25% of our prison space taken up by foreign nationals , if this Government scrapped the "human rights" laws that prevent their DEPORTATION back to their Countries of origin. It's the beard and sandal, toga wearing liberals, bent over at Dover with their heads in the sand, that are allowing this Country to be shafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I think you will find the French have there own immigration problems Obs, and getting out of the EU would only make the problem worse. Â The only solution would be to give the Countries they are coming from a better standard of living so they would not need to come. If we are to carry on with this Obs lets here some solutions from you not just you pouring scorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Loo, a simple question, if every country between us and the place of origin of every illegal sent them back as soon as they set foot on their territory would that mean hardly any would reach us unless by air? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 That would mean stopping a checking every lorry, To be fair I do not know what happens when the Germans find them. No Country at the moment checks every lorry not even the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 So your solution Sgt is to hand out even more money to these sponging third world countries to increase their standard of living so they could better their own economies and give their populations more incentive to stay at home? Â Are you bloody mad? We hand out more money to keep the illegals out then they use to money to set up cheap labour workshops and take more work off us anyway? Â Shut the borders, keep them out and give them sod all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 That would not stop them Baz, we need solutions to stop them coming in the first place. Well so far one of the people who has been harping about Immigration has come come up with a plan, if you can call it that  Any more solutions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 OPT out of Europe, problem solved. We can then do a De Gaulle and say NON. Â It's not difficult except when you have people supporting Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Opting out of Europe would only make the problem worse, The European Countries would be even lees inclined to help us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 But they aren't helping us now are they? We even have to put our own border Police/officials in France; at our expense to try and stop them coming here but it still isn't working. The quick turnaround repatriation is the only way. If they come from France without papers to show their country of origin, we should ship them back over the channel immediately. No silly immigration camps; get shut  Failing that, snipers on the cliffs of Dover! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 The fact that we have officials in France is a good thing, The Eu working together, Do you think we would have officials over there if we were not in the Eu  Still waiting for some proper solutions from you lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Kyje, IF you would care to re-read this topic from beginning to end; you would notice that I and others have suggested umpteen "solutions": EG;1) No foreign national enters the UK without a valid entry visa being applied for and granted by the UK embassy in their own Country of origin. 2) Such visas only to be granted, following a medical examination, police checks, and a requirement to read, write and speak English (to include ALL family members). 3) Work visas to be granted solely on proven national need for relevent skills and subject to periodic review. 4) Any "illegal" immigrant located in the UK, to be deported immediatley (this will require our withdrawal from the European Convention on Human Rights and from the European Court process). 5) All "colleges" and other institutions of learning to be inspected to ensure their credentials, to ensure only serious students are given entry visas; failiure to attend courses - immediate deportation. On the subject of overseas aid: a partially agree we should attempt to counter the motivation for them seeking to come here; however, we currently pay out ?billions in overseas aid - problem is, most of it gets grabbed by despotic leaders rather than reaching the ordinary people; it also creates a dependency culture rather than promoting national self reliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 The only solution that would work would be to stop them coming in the first place, otherwise you would have them queueing on the borders as they do now. that does not solve the problem it just moves it for someone else to sort out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 STOP throwing money at them!!! Australia seem to sort the problem out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Australia have not sorted out the problem, they have lots of detention camps, it costs millions in taxes to keep them running Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Can't quite follow your line of reasoning Kyje: so they "keep coming"- so what; as long as we have governments that "keep sending them back". I guess on the same basis, you don't clean your car, cos the dirt "keeps comming back"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 We do have a government that does send them back and to be fair the previous tory government sent them back as well, just not in the numbers you require Obs, Stop reading the BNP news letter or the Mail you will find it helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Australia have not sorted out the problem, they have lots of detention camps, it costs millions in taxes to keep them running  At least they know where they are though, most are in very remote locations there is even one on Christmas Island ( a former nuclear test site ) as I recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I think you will find there is a program on Discovery, Border Control, its about Australian Immigration tracking down Illegals, they seem to have a problem with Chinese  I think if people will bother to look it is not a British problem it is a problem of all developed States Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Slight difference in acreage, methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I think you will find there is a program on Discovery, Border Control, its about Australian Immigration tracking down Illegals, they seem to have a problem with Chinese   Remember Lt K these sort of programmes as aired for entertainment purposes...  OK so I watch it too sometimes.  The Chinese people questioned on the program mostly tend to be stopped due to the fact that they attempt to take dried plants, lizards and all sorts of weird stuff that they take for granted for use in their chinese herbal remedies and well being potions.  It makes it more 'watchable tv' when they can't speak the language and try to eat their good to prove they are doing nothing wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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