algy Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Mark Cavendish says motorists should be presumed liable in incidents where cyclists are injured or killed. http://road.cc/content/news/60231-mark-cavendish-says-motorists-should-be-presumed-liable-incidents-where-cyclists There is already a campaign in Scotland to introduce a law where in the event of a cyclist being killed or injured the motorist will automatically be assumed to be totally responsible until proved otherwise. http://article.wn.com/view/2013/04/15/Cyclists_call_for_strict_liability_law_to_hold_drivers_to_ac/#/related_news I would suggest in the event of this law ever being introduced all motorists should fit a 'dash' cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Well that should be the final nail in the coffin of motor insurance in this country, it's already sinking under the weight of the elements who treat it like a cash cow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Maybe a better solution would be to make it compulsory for cyclist to wear helmets fitted with cameras. That way we'd not only see who was to blame but also all the tricks the cyclist got up to. On the plus side of motor insurance, I did read the other day that new legislation kicks in today that prohibits passing on accident details and the claiming of referral fees and this is expected to reduce the annual motor insurance premiums next year by between 10/15%. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I have a dash cam and have had for three years..... I often use it to film some of the crazy antics that cyclists get up to..... NO.... drivers should not be presumed guilty or liable.... blame will more than likely rest with the cyclist as they tend to think they are invincible and have right of way over every other road user anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 of course they shouldn't - presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty - or is that just too PC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Given that other road users require a driving test and a vehicle test, shouldn't the same apply to cyclists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Just got my Corsair out of the unit for the summer.... although it costs nothing in road tax (as it is 45 years old) it still costs me for an MOT and it is insured.... last year it did 112 miles which is probably a lot less than most serious cyclists do in a week and it costs them bugger all to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted May 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 For goodness sake this is what cyclists are basing their claim to priority on the road above other road users! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Based on that picture then if a cyclist hits a pony and trap then the cyclist should be at fault as the pony and trap has been around longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 As untrained and unqualified road users, it is the cyclists who should be presumed to be at fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 I agree inky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 As untrained and unqualified road users, it is the cyclists who should be presumed to be at fault. hmmmm but doesn't the fat bloke in lycra still qualify as a professional pedal bikeist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 2, 2013 Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 Not seen many of the "lycra brigade" who are fat Baz; the fat ones tend to be the amateurs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted May 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Not seen many of the "lycra brigade" who are fat Baz; the fat ones tend to be the amateurs! As many of the "thin" ones appear to be, if their behaviour on the highway is anything to judge them by! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Well I for one would like to thank Warrington borough council for the gift of my free no obligation road map of Warrington. It has all the places that cyclist should avoid marked on it (well all the cycle lanes) and some interesting information for both cyclists and motorists. No doubt you have all received your free copy and probably consigned it to the recycle bin unread. So the cyclists now have no excuses for not using the approved cycle ways as they now all have maps of them. It also states that "at speed" a cyclist should be able to cover a mile in 3 minutes. (about 20 mph) so the next time you are going along in your car in the twenty zone at the correct speed limit and a cyclist overtakes you he is definitely speeding and should be reported immediately. Just make a note of his cycle make and model and the easily identifiable number plate and then pull over to the side,switch off your engine, phone the police on your mobile and give them the details and location and time, before continuing on safely with your journey, happy in the knowledge that you have done your bit to make the roads that bit safer for all.(please note that you will probably get an earful from the person that answers the phone about wasting police time and pointing out that the chances of a prosecution or on the spot fine are something in the order of slim to none, that is unless you give them your name and address and then they will send you the fine for wasting police time) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 I recently was in an accident with a cyclist - I can tell you I was not at fault, the man drove into the side of my car, he thought he could beat me- those were his words. I have a nice dent in my car and no way will insurance pay for it! So no, I think he accident should be based on exactly what happened!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 You mean you didn't pull your gun out of the glove compartment and demand he paid you for the damage?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 You mean you didn't pull your gun out of the glove compartment and demand he paid you for the damage?! the man was a cyclist.... she should have just shot him and claimed he attacked first!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 3, 2013 Report Share Posted May 3, 2013 Talking Bikes; seems the Plebgate bike has been sold on E-bay for over £10,000; guess it may now be insured?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted May 4, 2013 Report Share Posted May 4, 2013 More money than sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 I do not own a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 5, 2013 Report Share Posted May 5, 2013 ahhh still British at heart then Mary!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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