observer Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 With gas bills set to rise again next year, and perhaps year on year after that, will fracking for shale gas reduce our bills; or cause our houses to shake or our tap water to ignite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Maybe, maybe not, but you're all doomed, I tell you, all DOOMED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 listening to the energy secretary being interviewed on Sky News the other day and when asked if we could expect the same level of reductions in unit gas prices that were apparent in the USA (down from $8 a unit to $2 a unit due to the gas released by fracking)..... the reply went something like this..... Oh No, not at all.... our circumstances are much different to the States.... in other words.... if we let our mates the energy companies carry on ripping you plebs off, we can get even more money in tax!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 As I understand it, the cheaply produced 'fracked' gas will simply be pumped into the Europe wide gas grid and auctioned off to the highest bidder along with the 'ordinary' gas we use now. At exactly the same price, since gas is gas when it comes to supplying it for domestic use. A nice little earner for everyone apart from the consumer methinks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Unfortunately, the government have no interest whatsoever in capping the price of anything that generates so much tax with which to prop up the ailing economy.It does amaze me though that these companies always seem to come up with inflation busting price rises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Interesting that the US has now become self sufficient in energy supply due to the N/American shale fields. This could mean the US will remain the number one super-power a little longer, as cheap energy = cheaper goods production. Not sure whether the Chinese are energy rich, but noticed, they've just bought a Canadian shale gas Company - clever folk these Chinese! According to one "expert" on TV last night; the Lancashire field alone is estimated to provide 25% of UK national demand for the next 30 years! IF we ever got a UK Government that can think beyond the next election, we could have a window of opportunity to provide cheap energy supplies for OURSELVES, while embarking on a massive sustainable energy infrastructure supply program, by building hydro-electric schemes and estuary barriers (tidal generation) etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I think there’s a lot of nonsense being spouted on this, primarily from the save the planet brigades but to my way of thinking, no energy production is 100% free of some form of undesirable side effects. Describing minor ground tremors (so small as to be only detectable by instruments) as earthquakes is simply an attempt to frighten people. It makes for a good news story as does the bloke showing a minor crack in his wall but these are all minor issues compared with the benefits the gas could bring. But here’s the real rub. If shale gas was to significantly bring down the cost of energy over the next 25 years then the viability of solar and wind generated energy goes out the window. Most of these systems were marginal at best with long payback times and more importantly a heavy reliance on government subsidies. You have to wonder how long it will be before a future government decides that they can’t continue to pay out on a deal done prior to the discovery of shale gas. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 15, 2012 Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 What Bill said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Fracking and the water supply http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4LBjSXWQRV8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Blimey is that actually real Lt and did she really ignite the water coming out of her tap or is it a joke ? PS I had to scroll to the bottom of your link and click on 'desktop' to view the video as it seemed to be in 'mobile' mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Seems that IF the bore holes arn't properly sealed, gas can leak into the water table, thus causing tap water to become ignitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 This has been proved not to be caused by fracking at all, but by contamination of the water source by organic matter rotting and producing methane. Fracking takes place hundreds of feet below the water table and the well is sealed against leakage as it passes through the water table. Just another scare tactic by the so-called environmentalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Think you'll find it was caused by sloppy engineering practises by the companies involved, the bore holes not having been properly lined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Not true Asp, did you watch the video. The water never caught fire before fracking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 In Canada we have loads of natural gas most of which is sold to the USA, the gas reached a point where there was a glut of gas in the market, we thought o great now our prices will drop and they did from 34 cents a cubic meter to 8 cents, since our gas suppliers split up our bills into customer standing charge,transport from the west,transport to you, plus tax. Well it wasn't long before standing charge went up delivery charge went up and tax was added thus we end up paying 26 cents as for shale they are only looking at it in Quebec, so there maybe a reduction in transport, and if you believe that, I have a special deal on swamp land in Florida for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 LtKije you are so gullible.............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 That would be you Asp,, you just write off everything off that does not go along with your very narrow view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 You just write off anybody's view that does not agree with your own Lt Kije................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 So how do you know the gas is nothing to do with cracking Asp, seems odd that the water did not catch fire before they starting breaking the rocks to let the gas out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Allegedly..................................................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 So will you let us know where you got your info that aloud you to reach your conclusion ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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