wolfie Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Apparantly they rake in over ?85m in revenue per year, but because of the government spending cuts, the cameras are being turned off all over the country. Sensible or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Great news...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Ah but how do you know which one's are on or off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Completely agree with Baz on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Durnim Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 May be it?s a conspiracy on behalf of the government to pretend they are to stop using speed cameras to lull you into a false sense of security so they can catch you and fine you for speeding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 When I read the comments like great news, I despair. IF people drove within the speed limit, that's fine, but they DON'T. So why is it good news? Are you people who think we shouldn't have them some of the ones who couldn't care less what speed they drive at in Residential areas? I have stated before, I am against the 20mph on busy roads through town etc. but if you get rid of the cameras, how are you going to stop people from driving dangerously and killing pedestrians and other drivers? Perhaps a driving ban for 6 months might get your attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 If they put several speed cameras out side every School, Hospital and old peoples home or even in built up areas I would not have a problem, Its when they put them on roads where there are non of the above. It is when they use them not for safety but for income I have a big problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 So you don't completely agree with Baz then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 You never know Baz might agree with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Now you are just being silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I agree with Peter. Well said. Â Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 When I read the comments like great news, I despair. How are you going to stop people from driving dangerously and killing pedestrians and other drivers?  How do speed cameras currently stop dangerous driving?  All they can ever do is just detect what speed a car is doing at one tiny moment throughout an entire journey. There is no evidence which stands up to scrutiny that they have had any effect at all on overall accident rates. Cameras have absolutely nothing to offer if the goal is changing driving styles or road safety.  Maybe without cameras we'd have a return to the police actually having to police our roads - which would combat dangerous driving (and driving without insurance, driving while banned, driving while drunk or drugged, plus lead to the detection of other crimes due to suspicious motorists actually being stopped and spoken to) rather than just taxing people who stray a mph or two above an arbitrary limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Peter, Â speed cameras are a revenue earner and their effectiveness in reducing road deaths and injuries are questionable to say the least. Â I don't speed on any residential roads and with the exception of motorways (I take my chance like every other driver) I always keep to the speed limit. I am fortunate to have a car with cruise control that will slow down if the car in front does and so I tend to set that on most roads or use the speed limiter function which the car also has..... Â When more than ?85 million is made from these things, it just goes to show they are money generators. My mate summed it up quite nicely a few years ago when we were discussing the latest fad of letting you go on a speed awareness course (which just happens to cost the same as the speeding fine of course) and as he put it, they are going to give you every opportunity to pay money rather than lose your licence because if they take that away, they lose a hell of a lot more revenue that the do if you keep it..... just think about all the lost tolls, fuel duty, VAT, insurance tax, car tax etc etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 See Wolfie miracles do happen we are in agreement, although he could not bring himself to say it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 See Wolfie miracles do happen we are in agreement, although he could not bring himself to say it  BUGGER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 What's all the fuss about? Gov need money = fine generators = speed cameras or anything else they can think up to take cash of us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Here's a new tax, Income generator for you Obs, A pension tax which increases every year on your birthday for having the ordasity to carry on living long after you have become a burden on the State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Don't give them any more ideas, mind you, it falls short of euthanasia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter T Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 When I read the comments like great news, I despair. How are you going to stop people from driving dangerously and killing pedestrians and other drivers?  How do speed cameras currently stop dangerous driving?  All they can ever do is just detect what speed a car is doing at one tiny moment throughout an entire journey. There is no evidence which stands up to scrutiny that they have had any effect at all on overall accident rates. Cameras have absolutely nothing to offer if the goal is changing driving styles or road safety.  Maybe without cameras we'd have a return to the police actually having to police our roads - which would combat dangerous driving (and driving without insurance, driving while banned, driving while drunk or drugged, plus lead to the detection of other crimes due to suspicious motorists actually being stopped and spoken to) rather than just taxing people who stray a mph or two above an arbitrary limit.  Whilst people like yourself and others on here condone speeding(interpreting your comments), it won't stop it. But if they used them more efficiently, it might deter enough to change people's habits. Simple solution. STOP exceeding the speed limit!!!!!  Not difficult. It requires mental discipline. If you stop, you won't be contributing to the Government collection.  Inky, quite a lot get stopped by police in un-marked cars. As for the rest of your comment, there is obviously no punishment severe enough to act as a deterrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 One of the main problems with the 30 mph is that it was set donkeys tears ago and has never really been assessed. There are lots of roads mainly in towns and subarban areas where 30 is too fast, lots where 30 is too slow. the police cameras are a fine generating source and nothing else. they do not reduce accidents or even deter the speeder from speeding again. the courses - one of which I attended for doing 35 in a 30 area - cost me ?60 for a pen and little else. this is another con . Â I agree whole heartedly for a return to the days when a visible patrol car was used to monitor speeds, not an underhanded camera set behind a post box or hidden in a yellow coloured van were used. All the government agencies seem to do is scam money out of people - probably because they are supposed to be self supporting not because they are a source of wisdom!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 As has previously been said, Wahl, if you keep to the limits you won't have a problem. Most of the speed cameras in Warrington that I have seen are certainly not hidden, nor are the vans! Is it perhaps a case of not really being aware of what is going on around you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 IF speed cameras bring in revenue to the empty Gov coffers - great: much better to get the money off some arrogant tossers in fines, than from tax-payers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 silverlady54, I believe I am aware, but probably my attention is more on avoiding the holes in the road, negotiating the unsigned speed humps ( especially at night when the bumps are invisible)and avoiding other drivers rather than having to look out for yellow coloured vans and lampposts. Speed cameras have a place, but not where most are located. Yellow vans have a place, but not where they usually sit in laybyes and on backstreets or on "good " roads, not at known danger spots. They are definitely money grabbers!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 I'm with Wahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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