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went through there on Friday on my way home. qued from 4 roundabouts back and ended up following the bus route round past the spar and then across the lights to 20 acre road. still took 10 minutes or more where previously would have been 2 minutes tops.

 

Can't we vote this tosser Phil out?? or at least go and stick traffic lights outside his house?

 

I see the councillors have gone quiet again.... time for a shake up?

 

Baz\

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once again Phil Johnston has lied aboyt what he will do. before the traffic lights it was areview of yellow lines in town centre so far not one change or even an attempt to improve the situation goodbye Phil get out before you are kicked out and let someone who does sensible things take over. councillors note that the public has had enough of clowns ruining this town.

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Rapidly losing patience with this nonsense now. My assumption that the survey team would have an effect was obviously premature. As bad as ever.

 

On the plus side, as I'm a single issue voter, I guess my local councillors have just lost my vote next time around.

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from the guardian:

TRAFFIC experts say it could cost ?500,000 to solve the problems caused by a controversial set of traffic lights in Westbrook that 'do not work'.

 

JMP was hired by Warrington Borough Council to review the lights installed on Cromwell Avenue earlier this year.

 

Its consultants have revealed that the traffic flow data used by the council when planning the measures was four years out of date.

 

advertisementAnd they say the number of visitors leaving Gulliver's World - nearly 400 cars at peak times - wasn't accounted for.

 

Speaking at a Burtonwood and Westbrook Parish Council meeting last Wednesday, Steve Hunter, the council's strategic transportation division manager, admitted that 'perhaps we didn't consider this quite as thoroughly as we should have done'.

 

Darren Oldham, JMP consultant, said the existing roundabout was replaced with traffic lights to improve pedestrian crossing facilities.

 

But he said: "The junction does not work. There is insufficient capacity in the junction.

 

"Significant changes are needed to increase capacity."

 

At peak times the junction is overloaded by 10 to 15 per cent.

 

Mr Oldham said JMP recommends introducing a left turn lane for the traffic travelling northbound on Cromwell Avenue, which would cost around ?100,000 and would offer a significant improvement in capacity.

 

But he said: "It will make things better but it wouldn't make the junction work on a day-to-day basis."

 

He said changes to the traffic lights' timing and negotiating with Gulliver's World to stagger their customers' departure times could help.

 

But for the junction to work properly, Cromwell Avenue would have to be widened to deal with traffic demands - at a further cost of ?400,000.

 

And the consultant admitted the situation would only worsen with the Omega development and expansion of Gemini Retail Park.

 

Burtonwood councillor John Joyce (Lab) demanded to know whether 'any knuckles were being rapped' over the errors.

 

Mr Hunter said the designs were drawn up by an in-house team at the council and that the people concerned 'are aware of these errors'.

 

Speaking after the meeting, Westbrook councillor David Earl (Lib) said: "I am really concerned that residents are going to say 'what a waste of money'.

 

"The question is why didn't they do the groundwork in the first place?"

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And what exactly would be wrong with reverting back to the old layout?

 

Cromwell avenue doesn't need widening, there was no issue before this farce was built!

 

Those concerned are awarew of their errors? They should be out the door, never mind aware of their errors!! THey spend a fortune - our money - without actually checking if they had the right design? What an astonishing foul up!

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It is refreshing to see a council can hold its hands up and admit a mistake - only problem is it is the local tax payer who will end up picking up the bill, although perhaps other efficiency savings can achieve this.

:thinker:

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I often get caught in this conjestion and can only see it getting worse. I'm also concerned that my road could end up being a rat run through Chapelford to avoid the lights.

It seems to me that a great deal of traffic is backed up at the lights by people waiting to turn right into Asda by the petrol staion because people can't get out and the mini roundabout gets locked up!

:thinker:

As a suggestion, and I would like to hear others ideas. I wonder what would happen if they changed the road by the petrol staion as a n exit only with left and right exit lanes. Then having the entrance by The Odeon which would then reduce the backlog at the lights and allow traffic to flow freely around the mini roundabout by the petrol station. I reckon that could fix it and wouldn't cost ?500k!

 

What do people think about this?

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Close that entrance of completely and get everyone to use the Odeon entrance?

 

Alternative would be an entrance only with a box junction to prevent blocking.

 

How abotu we just go back to the roundabout we once had which didnt cause any problems.....nah too simple that one. :D:D

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Paulred.... we had that brilliant idea last year, stick all the traffic onto the small roundabout which leads to a cul-de-sac and also the road which leads to a quite large and popular primary school, a library, office block and doctors surgery. Add to that the numerous delivery lorries for ASDA, Frankie and Bennys, the school and the cinema. Finally add a generous sprinkling of parents dropping off and picking up their kids from school and you will then realise why that idea was thrown out!!

 

Cars would be backed up into the close on one side, the school on the other and the road alongside the school would become a rat run to avoid the congestion.

 

Maybe a better idea would be to have the entrance/exit on the almost empty and doesn't affect anyone road on the other side of the complex? or the great big roundabout with the bridge on? Surely that side of the site should be exploited... no houses, no businesses, no kids to run over...

 

[ 05.10.2007, 00:19: Message edited by: BazJ ]

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I've got to say that the idea to make an exit at the far side of Asda coming out just below the red bridge with left turn only sounds a great idea!

 

Exit only, with access only from the current petrol station side road. Anyone wanting to head down Old Hall way would simply do a 360 round the roundabout.

 

Surely the cost of an exit there would be minimal?

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Adrian, with all due respect; they put a man on the moon and a tunnel under the Channel.... a little brook shouldn't be too much of an obsticle to a local bridge builder!!

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i wasnt suggesting it was impossible, just not a case of laying soem trmac thats all. I actually agree that the main exit should be there but wont happen unless ASDA agree.

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It is now over thre months since the stupid lights at ASDA were raised and yet the only answer given is to waste another half million paying the useless consultants to "rectify" their mistakes. No one sacked yet WHY NOT

 

Why allow the same mistake to be made at Fordton?

 

stop the nonsense now and get someone with sense in to sort out the mess that the Environment transport management have made.

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Originally posted by wahl:

It is now over thre months since the stupid lights at ASDA were raised and yet the only answer given is to waste another half million paying the useless consultants to "rectify" their mistakes. No one sacked yet WHY NOT

 

Why allow the same mistake to be made at Fordton?

 

stop the nonsense now and get someone with sense in to sort out the mess that the Environment transport management have made.

The consultants were not to blame for the shambles as stated already. THis was down to the in-house council team. Due to their incompetence outside help has had to be recruited at further expense.

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I am told the man in charge of the department responsible for this calamity will be leaving the council at the end of the month for a career as a consultant.

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Originally posted by Gary:

I am told the man in charge of the department responsible for this calamity will be leaving the council at the end of the month for a career as a consultant

:biggrinbounce: :biggrinbounce:

 

I'm sure he'll be in big demand! :biggrinbounce:

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