observer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 With thousands of coppers, armoured vehicles, helicopters and even RAF jets on the hunt for Mr Moat - it seems the final straw in their armoury is about to be thrown at him - GAZA!( ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 In the absence of a link (I understand you don't do links because then the jumblies will get you), could you succinctly explain what it is you're wibbling about now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 People used to feel safe with a moat running round their village................................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 You wouldn't want to cross him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Police have admitted they are confused by Raoul Moat's intentions. A spokesman said, "He has a Spanish sounding first name, but he is wearing an orange t-shirt. We just can't work out who he will be supporting on Sunday." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Just heard that he has shot himself, so maybe he was an England fan after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 obviously don't keep up with the news fugtifuno - seems GAZZA (remember, he introduced crying to football!), was a remote mate of Raul and came down, to talk him out of topping himself - obviously it didn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Just heard that he has shot himself, so maybe he was an England fan after all On second thoughts, being an England fan he would have probably missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter T Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 At least we don't have the added cost of keeping him. The media are once again having a field day. Why does it matter whether taser guns were used or not? The fact that the guy was off his head on steroids and had killed people is secondary to how the police acted. What a strange and stupid world we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Agree - the police, egged on by the media, have played this one for all it's worth - you'd have thought they were fighting WW3 rather than hunting down a nutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 The Police were in a 'no win' situation. If they had just used the village bobby they would have been slated and by using everything at their disposal they get slated. If the nutter had gone on to shoot more people there would have been an enquiry, and by shooting himself there is an enquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 True - and it's the media that drive it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 And who do you suppose drives the media?? We do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 not if you don't buy papers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Or watch the television - then you wouldn't even know about it. happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Mary et al. How can you say we drive the media? How many of us get asked what we would like to see on the news or in the papers? All I want to know is that there is an issue and a result. I don't need the story speculated on. I want reporting , NOT glamourising!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Totally agree. When that chap from Cumbria went on his killing spree we had the full details of when he got up, what he had for breakfast, who his friends were, who his enemies were, who he went to school with etc etc every night for over 2 weeks. Then we went on to who lived in the same town, what they did for a living, how had it affected them, had they now started going to church ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 From day one this was never going to end in him alive. I am more dissapointed about cheryl cole being unable to get to the V festival than I am about this guys demise, and I aint even going myself, or have any intention of watching or listening to the V festival. I will thank him however for his consideration of the tax payers by opting to avoid prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 ..... and an expensive trial! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Exactly, I f only there were more like him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Might be wrong but do you not remain innocent until proven guilty in a court of law no matter what has been reported. I don't think the media helped this case at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I've seen no tv, read no newspapers and had no internet until today. Life seemed so much more enjoyable and relaxed that way. As for Moat it was inevitable that it would probably end that way but I do feel sorry for his kids and his parents. Maybe for them it would have been easier if the police had shot him rather than him blowing his own head off... or maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Might be wrong but do you not remain innocent until proven guilty in a court of law no matter what has been reported. I don't think the media helped this case at all Yeah, your wrong. Guilty until proven innocent. Always has been. Innocent until proven guilty is just a figure of speech used in Agatha Christie plays (such as the one on at the pyramid Friday & Saturday tickets available at the door only ?4 for community theatre 7pm (surprise yourself or your partner with a different night out something to remember rather than another Friday watching telly). If it was innocent until proven guilty there would be no such thing as remand pending hearings, no need to set such things as bail. People wouldn't even have to turn up to court. Its one of those lovely ideals, but really can you think of any case ever that has allowed a suspected murderer or other serious criminal to wander the street innocent until the court proves them guilty? I think the media also helped a great deal, quite clearly the media held information at the polices request over the possible kidnapping, they allowed multiple appeals for him to give himself up to air, clearly the reports stating "the net is closing" which were constantly being played were psychological techniques that were done at the request of the police.... that's helping a lot. what didn't help this case was a waste of skin running around with guns on a rampage killing innocent people. Had I been in charge that stand-off would have been about 4 seconds long and would have had a similar outcome thus saving many man hours of police work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 No I checked, it is innocent until proven guilty, I think you might be thinking of sharia law their Legion Remand was originally set up for people who were awaiting sentencing after appearing in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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