Conscription ?

[Observer II]

Seems the Latvian PM is advising the UK to adopt mass mobilisation, in the face of supposed Russian agression.    Whilst there may be benefits in terms of getting over a million young folk out of bed and into work, I can't see their motivation for doing so, unless perhaps, it was to support a Jihad !    Then there's the issue of arming and equiping them,  our military industrial complex just isn't geared to produce the weapons needed,  indeed we've already given large amounts of our reserve stock piles to Ukraine, and our reputation for organising mass equipment provision, seems somewhat diminishes after the PPE fiasco !    Then of course, you've got the woke cultural issues to accomodate, and the training of drill sergeants in pronoun usage !    It's a none starter, forget it.     😆

[Confused52]

It wasn't the Latvian PM, it was the Foreign Minister. He didn't call for conscription exactly but a citizens army where the public get training but are called up only when there is a need. At least one UK General has called for the same thing. You clearly didn't understand what the problem with PPE was since I don't expect the arms for a citizen army to be poor quality Chinese stuff. I note that your slant on the story was as portrayed on RT (ex Russia Today) so I expect you are just following orders. 

[Observer II]

😄   Orders !  😆     My slant on the story is based on the state of the UK society at the moment,   totally divided and deluded, and incapable of defending this Country from an unarmed invasion by migrants, so helpless against a real invasion.   And why would Russia want to invade us ?   We'd be a liability.  Th West is now the global sick man, ruined by global wokeism, by a global elite, that nobody voted for.   The west doesn't need invading, it's collapsing on it's own, due to a liberal cancer.    😑

[Confused52]

You just don't get it do you? What they want to invade is all the countries which were in the Russian sphere of influence after Yalta, what they call the Russian MIR. That was essentially the same as the territory under Soviet influence in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Nazis early in the war. They want to recreate the Soviet Union because that is what they have stated. They have had the same policy since Ivan the Terrible - Russia never changes and is impossible to negotiate with because they don't even know they are lying. Russia does not do peaceful co-existence and still behave like the Mongol Horde of which Muscovy is the successor state. 

They don't want to invade the UK but they do want to invade places that will cause the start of a nuclear war with NATO. The extra spending is intended to make the possibility of it just being a conventional war which Russia would lose big enough to prevent the Mad Nazi Imperialists in the Kremlin from actually invading. That you think they should be allowed to continue their plan without hindrance shows a lack of understanding of Russian history. Given that you appear to be heavily influenced by Red ideology from your many posts it seems strange that you have not understood that. It is as if the Kremlin read 1984 and used it as a textbook: invent a permanent enemy and blame everything on them including your own mistakes, unite the people against a non-existent enemy to keep the populace under control. That is Russia

[Observer II]

😆  ha ha ha.     Your clearly an old school Tory with old "boys own" ideas about the Russian threat and how puny Britain can defeat the monster with a few daring MI6 raids.  The fact is, our society is now rotten with the cultural  corruption of woke liberals, without any martial spirit or national pride or cohesion;  qualities which Russia has restored in their population.  Thus they are stronger as a society and a Nation, which is now evident as we fail and they succeed.  😑

[Confused52]

Magnificent, a classic strawman fallacy. You just make everything up. You really ought to be Russian, you fit right in!

 

[Observer II]

Just being realistic, and not applying the usual Western arrogance to foreign nations.  We don't understand Russia, because we've never wanted to,  it's hated and envied for it's National cohesion and raw materials, which the Western elites wanted to exploit.   Which Country has carried out the most invasions and regime changes over the past 30 years ?   Certainly not Russia.  Now we're being hoisted by our own petard with the migrant invasion of Europe and the US,  sweet irony.    😑

[Bill]

There's loads of things wrong with this country of ours, but the very last thing we should be thinking about is spending any money preparing for a Russian invasion that’s only ever going to happen in the minds of people like Observer.

Yes, compared with Russia’s strong political regime, our system is outdated, broken and completely unfit for purpose where the overwhelming majority of people have little or no confidence in politicians. Maybe they don't get shot, poisioned or exiled and even though democratically elected that’s little comfort when the reality is that at the end of the day they do little more than just talk and make promises that aren’t kept.

If there’s one thing that we can take from Russia, it’s the fact that something like a revolution can ultimately change the way a country is run and that’s probably what’s needed here.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

Tend to agree with you Bill, just point out, that I don't obsess over the thought of a Russian invasion of the UK, quite the opposite in fact,  why would they ?   The real invasion that's currently going on in Europe and the USA, is by third world migrants, and they are taking over, facilitated by a woke liberal cancer that's eating away at any notion of a united and cohesive society, that renders us ever weaker in terms of geo-politics.      😠

[Confused52]

I fear that the problem here is that we have had a revolution but it has been caused by the media so they don't tell us about it. It was caused by Brexit and Devolution. The Brexit referendum was ill conceived. The problem called loser's consent was not considered. In most elections the result is reversible in a short while, not more than five years, and disappointed electors can generally see that they might get their preferred outcome in their lifetimes. Because of that loser's generally have consented to the status quo after elections or referendums. With Brexit this was not the case, all the special terms Britain had would never come back after re-joining so it was a one way decision, forever not just for five years. Consequently there is no loser's consent.

Similarly in Scotland the Independent referendum was not accepted and what should have been a once in a generation decision is pushed down our throats every few days with a party in Westminster that exists only to push that grievance.

The result of these pressures and vastly increased media coverage but less resources on any one programme is constant reporting of constant moaning driven by a lack of acceptance of authority. That has now also been augmented by a set of industrial action in almost every public service which has been co-ordinated to a degree by unions working together to have the appearance of a general strike without the financial consequences of one for their members.

This is a revolution of sorts and the consequence of it is that the Government is in power but not in control. That is what happens in a revolution. You just can't see who is pulling the strings because it is just a movement that is designed to bring down the present government. It has no aims other than to give more money to the state and then to public servants whilst punishing the Tory party. We might be concerned about what will happen when Labour come to power. The latest poll from the Labour leaning Tax policy Associates shows people are not content to pay more tax for the NHS and on previous evidence that suggests that they will not accept higher taxes for public services in general. Most people I talk to think public services are self serving money pits. So Labour will not be able to deliver the change that the Unions and others clamour for, maybe the revolution will continue and change. I am not convinced this revolution will deliver any benefits to the public at large.

 

[Confused52]

I suppose I need to point out that the Bolshevik Revolution to bring Communism worldwide starting in Russia failed. On the way it caused millions of deaths by starvation and ended as Socialism where the populace was impoverished. That in turn has given way to a Fascist dictatorship which is very similar to the Imperial rule of the Tsar who was overturned. Russia has gained nothing but lost much blood and treasure. 

[Confused52]

19 minutes ago, Observer II said:

, facilitated by a woke liberal cancer 

The authors of that problem were Polly Toynbee and Harriet Harman who drafted and pushed the Equalities Act which is at the heart of much of what you despise. Expect the next government to double down on what you despise.

[Evil Sid]

career politicians now run all the parties, with possibly one or two exceptions. That being the case then the difference between the parties is practically zero as the politicians strive to get as much money as they can in their own pockets. or so it seems to a lot of people i have spoken to lately.

Civil servants run the country with the politicians as at best an overseer at worst a figure head for the department, either way they are the ones thrown to the wolves when it goes belly up. the civil servants just carry on doing whatever it is they do without any of the consequences settling on them.

The chancellor of the exchequer doesn't sit at home with his calculator working out what to tax or what to fund, he just presents what the civil servants in his department give him. he may have some input but only in a general sense as do probably the majority of politicians in all departments. they are just the 'public' voice for their department.

That is possibly the galling thing about politicians, they resign from their job but are still employed as politicians in a different department at the same rate of pay.

as the old joke says "how can you tell a politician is lying?"

"their lips move".....

[Observer II]

1 hour ago, Confused52 said:

The authors of that problem were Polly Toynbee and Harriet Harman who drafted and pushed the Equalities Act which is at the heart of much of what you despise. Expect the next government to double down on what you despise.

Think generally, it all started under Bliar.  I've long expected a woke Labour Gov will double down on the current malaise, but I'm too old now to emigrate !      😑

[ninearches]

The British government ,of whatever persuasion, should have only on concern , putting Britain & the British first.

Aren't the armed forces due for another round of cuts? You can't beat a professional well trained military machine & a million armed civilians will be no compensation for depleted regular forces.

As for the Fascist versus Communist/Socialist argument , both systems are two sides of the same coin resulting in oppressed populations living in dictatorships.