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The reality of the 6 deaths in the channel, is due to them trying to cross a dangerous stretch of sea in an overloaded rubber boat.   But the snowflake MSM tries to lay the blame on the Gov.   Whilst the French Authorities rescued most, it being in their territorial waters, the woke RNLI picked some up, but took them to Dover, fulfilling their new role a a migrant taxi service.  It's frankly a surprise that such incidents haven't occured more often, which may have acted as a deterent, and prevented over 100.000 arriving in the UK since 2018.  What is clear, is that this can be stopped by simply turning these boats around and taking these illegals back to a French beach or port - sorted.    😠

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quote from a bbc article about this incident.

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Refugee charity Care4Calais said the incident was an "appalling and preventable tragedy", while the Refugee Council warned "more people will die" unless more safe routes to the UK are created.

This implies that there are safe routes in place. does this mean sea going routes or genuine legal channels?

probably a politics thing bill.

can't have a british ship dumping foreigners on french soil.......🤦‍♂️

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There's been a chorus of bleating from the woke brigade, over 6 deaths;  the recent fires in Maui have caused 85, and the war in Ukraine around 500,000 just to get things into proportion.   It's quite simple,  the RN and UKBF provide a wall of small craft, just outside French territorial waters to intercept any migrant craft, grapple them and tow them back to the French shore - sorted.  😠

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I suppose they see it as they’re going to end up here anyway so why not just bring them over safely rather than let them risk their lives in dingeys. It’d probably work out cheaper for the country if we gave them all a free EasyJet ticket and that way we wouldn’t have to go out looking for them, and as a bonus, it’d put the traffickers out of a job. Then a hyper quick Sid style turn around by immigration at the airport and most of them could be on the same flight back out again.

 

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Afraid it's not that simple Bill;  our public services and legal system are full of lefty do gooders, intent on scotching every Gov move. So a clear out is first required by folk who reflect majority opinion first.   So the first thing we have to do is not let them into the UK in the first place, by turning them round at sea.   😠

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The claim from the civil service unions is that as the Channel is so busy push backs would inevitably cause a danger of loss of life. Border Guards involved could be prosecuted as a consequence of Article 2 of the ECHR. There are claims that if people on the boats ask for assistance they have to be picked up in accordance with Article 98 of the UN treaty on the laws of the sea. The part of the treaty containing Article 98 is applicable only to the High Seas, the Channel is not the High Seas being Territorial Waters of the UK and France either side of a median line. France has said it will not tolerate the danger of taking boats to France from UK waters. The Australian solution was to take then to the very edge of Territorial waters and make them go back of their own accord. Equally the claim based on the EHCR is based on an attempt to turn back a boat being taken as an attempt to deliberately sink it. Only by blocking the progress of the boats as soon as the leave French waters seems to be a way out and the resources for that probably do not exist. 

So the bit of the ECHR that needs removing is the most important one. The lefties love this stuff.

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If that’s the case then we just pull them back to French territorial waters and then let the French deal with them, but the illegals deliberately jump into the water knowing that we’ll rescue them. But, if we had some kind of boat that was modified to have a massif scoop at the front, it could just gather up all the people and their boat safely without bringing them onboard. They could then be pushed back to French territorial waters and the scoop retracted. We save their lives but don’t have to take them onboard a UK vessel.

 

Bill 😊

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perhaps we could hire a few trawlers to scoop them up in the nets.

leave them dangling over the side and drop them off just short of the French coast.

that way technically they would not have boarded a British  vessel and they would be safe from drowning until they were dropped off and allowed to swim back to the Shore of their choice.

the cost would be covered by the saving in paying legal aid to the hr lawyers and the cost of housing them when they do manage to make it over.

would also provide a bit of extra income for the trawler men.

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For those still singing the praises of the EU,  they'll be pleased to know that the EU wants to dictate where the migrants will be allocated, which could be your country, whether you like it or not.   Seems the Poles and Hungarians are not having it, with Poland now set for a Polexit referendum against this Brussels dictatorship; seems we got out just in time.   😠

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On 8/14/2023 at 6:02 PM, Confused52 said:

... and hold joint first place with Russia in the ...Breaking International Law stakes.....

The biggest problem the UK has is that  we obey the law to the very letter of it . Many other countries don't & get away with shi##ing all over us.

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Russia has been ignoring ECHR  decisions it doesn't like, ever since it started, The Yanks aren't even involved in it.   Time to forget image and what other countries may think, and look after our own National interest,  UK First.    We have allowed the destruction of our society, culture and cohesion, by this invasion, aided and abetted by lefty liberal lawfare.     😠

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