Sunack sell out -

[Observer II]

Seems Sunack is now on his way to sell out Brexit, and get us back into the EU, starting with the nonsense of the N/I protocol.    It's been apparent since this protocol was raised. that the EU has been out to humiliate the UK, as a warning to other EU States, who may be thinking of exiting.   If the EU want a customs border, let THEM provide it, either at the border of the UK or between France and Ireland - sorted.  But no, first Boris now Sunack and Hunt, are prepared to renege on the Referendum and ignore it's democratic mandate.  😠

[Confused52]

I have no idea what will be the agreed changes. Unless you do, I suggest we wait to see if there is a new agreement and what it actually is before claiming it is a sell-out.

[Observer II]

The original deal by Boris, to place the border down the Irish Sea, thus seperating Ulster from  Britain,  was a sell out;  this will only confirm it.   😠

[ninearches]

In these days of Customs Seals ,it shouldn't be difficult to load goods from the UK to Ulster on one trailer & goods from UK to Eire on another trailer & never the twain shall meet.

The old TIR system worked well for many years.

[Confused52]

This is more like what I expected in the first place, and was possible under the agreement. We only didn't get it because the French told their Committee negotiators not to touch it. Boris just took the blame but it was the EU being unreasonable. The BBC would never say that so it has to be a Rishi breakthrough. Annoying.

[Observer II]

We still have a situation where part of the UK is being treated differently to the rest, and subject to the ECJ.   No doubt with Irish influence, the EU objective being to ultimately bring about the unification of the Island of Ireland.   The objective of Brexit was to totally free ourselves from any EU control, which should have required a border between Ulster and the rest of Ireland, and if the EU wanted customs checks, they would have to provide the border checks; either that or place the customs border between Ireland and France.  The reason for our lack of progress with Brexit, is that our politicians and civil service, have sought to water it down at every turn, and lack the imagination to develop a dynamic nation state, with greater self reliance.   In short, they've sold out Brexit, and prefer a return to a situation where command and control rests with Brussels, thus making for an easy time for our politicians.   😠

[Confused52]

Obs, on first sight the list of matters reserved to the ECJ don't bother me in the slightest because for the most part they are in our interests. Unless you harbour ambitions for Northern Ireland to be a more dangerous place with dodgy explosives factories, or manufacture chemicals for Lethal injections and the like. No the government hasn't sold out Brexit, you just need to be realistic. That you simultaneously hold the realpolitik views you do on Ukraine and the absolutist views on sovereignty that you tell us about on NI seems irreconcilable as far as I can see. It is Alice in Wonderland stuff. 

[Observer II]

N/Ireland is, or should be, subject to the laws of the UK alone, ajudicated by our own Supreme Court.  Ulster, like the Donbass has had majorities in favour of staying part of the UK, and in the case of Donbass, majorities in favour of being part of Russia.  So completely reconcilable.    😠

[Confused52]

4 hours ago, Observer II said:

and in the case of Donbass, majorities in favour of being part of Russia.      😠

Oblast	Yes %	No %
Crimean ASSR	54.19	42.22
Donetske	83.9	12.58
Kharkiv	86.33	10.43
Kherson	90.13	7.2
Luhanske	83.86	13.41
Zaporizhzhia	90.66	7.34

Better than Brexit everywhere in Ukraine in fact. Not reconcilable with actual facts rather than Russian ones!

 

 

[Observer II]

Presumably your reliant on our MSM for facts, but alas, all they deliver is biased opinion.   The Eastern Oblasts were majority ethnic Russian and Russian speaking, something the Western Ukrainian neo-Nazis wished to eradicate. In the period from 2014,  14,000 ethnic Russian civilians were killed by Ukrainian artillery firing into Donesk, so I guess when it came to a referendum, the results were no surprise.   Aside from the economic own goal of sanctions, it seems NATO is running out of ammunition stocks, having given it to Ukraine.   The NATO military industrial complex is not geared up for total war, whereas the Russian one is, but you won't get that from our biased media. What we're seeing is ww3, up to now without the nukes, and NATO is losing it.    

[Bill]

Back to the new NI agreement, it seems to me that just about everyone sees this as a good outcome and even the cynics are holding off commenting while they trawl though the details looking for something to object to.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

The fact remains that one part of the UK is subject to different circumstances than the rest, thus undermining our national sovereinty.   

[Evil Sid]

But Ireland always has been a difficult place to sort out, even before we got into the common market/eu.

Comes of having one country split by politics/religion depending on your view.

[Observer II]

It's not a case of "sorting out N/Ireland",  up to now, a majority has supported the Union, and until that changes, it's part of the UK, and thus not subjected to different laws and customs of a foreign power.   What's depressing about all this, is the absence of any positive moves to pursue Brexit; indeed, quite the opposite;  our political class are so bereft of ideas and will, that they are willing to pass the buck of responsibilty to the EU.   😠