BoJo's deal ?

[Observer II]

So Boris comes back with a warmed up version of the May deal, which sells out N/Ireland;  which will get kicked out by a Remoaner Parliament that doesn't want any deal, no matter how good.  So Parliament will kick the can down the road (again), with the Benn(dover) Act, which sends BoJo  back to beg for another extension.   As a new ComRes Poll indicates, the majority want to Leave the EU; so the Remoaners are left with a second referendum that will no doubt pit Remain against BoJo's fake deal, thus effectively robbing Leave voters of Brexit.   They won't want a G/Election, as they know they'll get wiped out.  So the saga will continue.

[Evil Sid]

well i look at it this way. I am currently 62,  i will be well dead and buried before any party agree on a deal.

if the EU promised free holidays for every person in the UK for life and a half million each a month this bunch of ( due to not finding any acceptable word,even in the thesaurus, that will not contravene forum regulations the description will remain up to the reader to fill in)...........would not agree to it.

[Davy51]

.....aurieolas  sounds like a good word.

[Davy51]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

So Boris comes back with a warmed up version of the May deal, which sells out N/Ireland;  which will get kicked out by a Remoaner Parliament that doesn't want any deal, no matter how good.  So Parliament will kick the can down the road (again), with the Benn(dover) Act, which sends BoJo  back to beg for another extension.   As a new ComRes Poll indicates, the majority want to Leave the EU; so the Remoaners are left with a second referendum that will no doubt pit Remain against BoJo's fake deal, thus effectively robbing Leave voters of Brexit.   They won't want a G/Election, as they know they'll get wiped out.  So the saga will continue.

You know, they could make a new game show out of the shenanigans ,just like a re hash of Jeux san frontieres ,Boris could take over the Eddie Waring compere role with Chairman Jezza doing the Stuart Hall part.

[Confused52]

What if  … Juncker is right and the EU will not grant an extension? The motion proposed for Saturday is a single question so the house either accepts the deal or if not accepts no deal. That meets the legal requirements of the Benn Act( EU Withdrawal No2 Act) and the Meaningful vote requirement of the EU Withdrawal Act. With no extension there is no where to go, no time for a referendum (so they have decided not to ask for that on Saturday now), the" remoaners" may have a problem. They have already made it amendable motion but how can they make an wrecking change with no delay? A no confidence motion on Saturday would have no effect until the 25th October but Parliament probably would not be dissolved until the 30th October. The Government would then have to use emergency powers to enable no-deal Brexit !!! The courts can help, they have no jurisdiction over the EU states or institutions (no not even the Scottish courts)

If Boris is certain that he has one member state that will say no ne will hand over the request for an extension straight way so that the EU can give him the refusal letter in time for the Saturday showdown.

The government seem to be sure that they have covered off the options and they know what they have stitched up which the rabble don't (yet).

Get popcorn for Saturday morning. But don't be surprised if we leave with a deal based on Labour abstentions (that being the only way for them to claim that it was the other lot's fault).

[Observer II]

Well Saturday should be interesting: -   Seems a motion for Boris's Deal will be taken on the basis that it's his deal or a no deal Brexit by 31st Oct.   If MPs vote against his deal it infers support for no deal, which negates the requirement to seek an extension, as per the Benn(dover) Act.  Assuming Junker & Co are true to their word (which is doubtful), a further extension won't be granted, which makes the Benn Act redundant.   Whilst I would prefer a clean break "no deal" Brexit,  the Boris deal achieves 90% of the objective of actually leaving. In either case, negotiations would begin in earnest for a UK - EU trade deal,   which Merkel is keen to fast track.  If we do actually leave,  the Remoaners will probably chance a G/Election in the hope of getting a majority to rejoin the EU, which would mean accepting the Euro among other things, so a non-starter imo. So fingers crossed and prepare for a Halloween Party.    😑

[Evil Sid]

Deal or no deal was much easier to understand when Noel Edmonds was the host. (funnier too).🤭

[Davy51]

Is this deal anything like the ones for Canada & Norway ?

 

[Confused52]

1 hour ago, Davy51 said:

Is this deal anything like the ones for Canada & Norway ?

 

Not yet, the current deal only sets the arrangements for the withdrawal from the Union, the subsequent Free-trade agreement is then negotiated within the framework of the Political Agreement after the competence to negotiate trade deals is returned to the UK at Brexit. This separation of the stages is the way it is laid out in the dreaded Article 50. The Political Agreement allows negotiations up to the end of 2020 to achieve a Canada deal style solution. I don't think a Norway style deal is on the table because that involves being a member of EFTA, and whilst we were once in EFTA our economy is larger than all the current members taken together. Also a Norway style deal means taking all EU regulation directly into force for all time, and that is incompatible with the objectives currently being used

[asperity]

The remoaners are pushing for  another referendum to vote on whether or not to accept the outcome of Parliament's vote on any deal. If this comes about then surely the people should be given a referendum to decide whether we want another referendum or not. And if we vote for another referendum we should have a referendum on whether or not "Remain" should be on a referendum or whether it should be leave with a deal or without one. This could drag on a bit 🙄.

[Confused52]

Within the terms of the Benn Act Boris could have written a letter dated tomorrow to be opened at 0900 CET and the European Council could have given him a reply dated tomorrow, not to be opened before 0930 BST. The contents of the EU council letter being "Non", Barnier did say he was a bit of a Gaullist. Boris then reads the letter to the Commons and suddenly before any amendments are considered it is back to one vote deal or no deal. That is how to get out of this disaster movie we are stuck in. The remoaners then have nowhere to go since anything other than approving the deal is approving no-deal, their heads would explode. I know it is wishful thinking but one can dream.

[Observer II]

Having listened to Nigel on youtube; it would seem on balance that the only way we can truly break the chains, is with a NO DEAL Brexit. 

[asperity]

7 hours ago, Observer II said:

Having listened to Nigel on youtube; it would seem on balance that the only way we can truly break the chains, is with a NO DEAL Brexit. 

It's easily said, but not as easy to achieve given the political shenanigans of our remoaner friends in Parliament. I, for one, would be more than happy if No Deal was the outcome, but equally if it comes to leaving with Boris' deal, at least it's a move in the right direction and a chance to throw off the chains of the EU.

[Observer II]

The problem is Asp, it doesn't break the chains:  we'll be tied to EU foreign policy and tax rate policy, to ensure we don't become a viable competitor to the EU and N/Ireland will be set up to be taken over by Ireland.   Assuming Junker, Macron and even Varadkar are true to their threats, which is doubtful,  no more extensions will be on offer; so NO DEAL would be the prefered outcome, then we can move on to a trade deal as an independent Nation.

[Confused52]

2 hours ago, Observer II said:

The problem is Asp, it doesn't break the chains:  we'll be tied to EU foreign policy and tax rate policy, to ensure we don't become a viable competitor to the EU and N/Ireland will be set up to be taken over by Ireland.   Assuming Junker, Macron and even Varadkar are true to their threats, which is doubtful,  no more extensions will be on offer; so NO DEAL would be the prefered outcome, then we can move on to a trade deal as an independent Nation.

Sorry but I have read the Political Declaration and Nigel and the Labour front bench are talking utter tosh and you are being deceived. The trick they all use is to find something that could be possible and not liked and so is inflated to a racing certainty which is evil and definitely intended. It is just arrogant childishness.

[Observer II]

As the architect of Brexit, Nigel has more knowledge and experience of the EU than any other politician - so I'll believe him rather than MPs trying to abort it.

[Confused52]

Just now, Observer II said:

As the architect of Brexit, Nigel has more knowledge and experience of the EU than any other politician - so I'll believe him rather than MPs trying to abort it.

More fool you then, you are beyond help I fear.

[Observer II]

IYO - Brexit In Name Only isn't Brexit.

[Evil Sid]

I am beginning to wonder if our Illustrious MP's are milking this brexit drama for all it's worth, financially that is.

All the to-ing and Fro-ing to the various EU meetings, Time spent drifting from one legal court to another,negation of the prorogue meaning they had to return to parliament and then the special saturday morning edition of deal or no deal shown on most main channels.

All of which have incurred extra wages and expenses for our honest, hard working MP's and MEP's (whatever it is they do).

Will Boris ever get his no deal or will the evil machinations of his arch enemy foil his plans?

Do MP's get paid time and a half for saturday's?

When does the brexit the musical come out?

Stay tuned for next weeks episode, same time, same channels.

[Confused52]

2 hours ago, Evil Sid said:

I am beginning to wonder if our Illustrious MP's are milking this brexit drama for all it's worth, financially that is.

All the to-ing and Fro-ing to the various EU meetings, Time spent drifting from one legal court to another,negation of the prorogue meaning they had to return to parliament and then the special saturday morning edition of deal or no deal shown on most main channels.

All of which have incurred extra wages and expenses for our honest, hard working MP's and MEP's (whatever it is they do).

Will Boris ever get his no deal or will the evil machinations of his arch enemy foil his plans?

Do MP's get paid time and a half for saturday's?

When does the brexit the musical come out?

Stay tuned for next weeks episode, same time, same channels.

MPs don't get paid an hourly rate. Undermining the business of the executive will not be a permissible expense necessarily incurred in the performance of their appointment. These goons are spending their own money, or that of their donors, in the main to undermine Brexit. The money on court cases appears to be crowd funding from gullible remain supporters. It is time that Cherry and Maugham were treated as vexatious litigants and barred I think,

[Confused52]

I am much enjoying the complaints about the letter not being signed. The law required him to send a letter in the form given in the Annex to the Benn Act. That Annex gave a format which did not contain the usual formulation [signed] where the signature should go. Consequently Boris obeyed the law to the letter by not signing it. It is hardly the government's fault that the drafting of the Act by the rebels was incompetent. If they had not been so childish and simply told Boris what the effect of the letter should be he would have had to sign it, but that he did not do so is their own doing. The EU were watching everything on Television anyway in Brussels so the content of the letter is not really for Brussels but to annoy Labour and the SNP, which seems to have worked.

[Observer II]

Sid, one Labour MP is asking for additional child care expenses for working on a Saturday;  as if £79K pa doesn't cover it.  It's the same idiot who left a note in his Treasury Office, saying they'd spent all the money, when the Tories took over.  If ever there was a case for a G/Election to clear this filth from Parliament - it's now.   The antics of these Remoaners in delaying Brexit, must be costing £millions, in prolonging our membership fees to the EU and the economic disruption caused by the continued uncertainty.  

[Confused52]

Obs, it is already Billions.

[Observer II]

Thus providing an incentive for the EU to keep giving us extensions.

[Evil Sid]

"Members of Parliament are not obliged by parliamentary rules to attend the House at any time. ". So basically you can get elected as an mp and then just sit at home watching soaps all day and still get paid?🕵️‍♀️

Think i might stand for the apathy party next year. Their manifesto being "we promise to do absolutely nothing. or it would be if we could be bothered to form a party and actually write a manifesto".🤣