Bazj Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 she must be murder to live with! http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/articles/19939/1/MPs-anger-over-AampE-blackout/Page1.html but it isn't like Labour ever hid things is it? Like the cost of their PFI deals and stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Might help if she paid A&E a visit a talked to staff: recently took Mrs Obs, and we spent 3hrs 45mins waiting; so 15mins within target; but too long imo. So I asked the Doctor why they don't practise triage like the Army; with a senior Doctor fronting the operation, deciding on diagnosis and directing the patient to the appropriate treatment. She agreed it would speed things up, BUT would cost a lot more to employ more doctors on shifts etc. Also talked to a junior nurse working in another Dept; who had completed a "shift" from 7am to 11pm, with one 20min break, and all unpaid overtime. I said haven't you got a Union; she said yes, but they basically say do your normal paid hours then go. Presumably this would leave patients without a nurse; so they would have to sue the Hospital management, and maybe things might change. BUT, it's all down to money, or rather lack of it; whilst demand is increasing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Oh for gods sake one trip to a and e and you know more than all the health care professionals put together. Ever thought she may just be humour ing you to get rid of you? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Seems your a complete drip - suppose you know all about triage (without googling of course) ? sheesh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 And you wonder (or maybe don't) why people don't use this forum. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 It is only repetition and insult that is keeping it going Bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey_man Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 PJ sees it as his job to drown out all opinions but one. I just hope he's different down the pub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Might help if she paid A&E a visit a talked to staff: recently took Mrs Obs, and we spent 3hrs 45mins waiting; so 15mins within target; but too long imo. So I asked the Doctor why they don't practise triage like the Army; with a senior Doctor fronting the operation, deciding on diagnosis and directing the patient to the appropriate treatment. She agreed it would speed things up, BUT would cost a lot more to employ more doctors on shifts etc. Also talked to a junior nurse working in another Dept; who had completed a "shift" from 7am to 11pm, with one 20min break, and all unpaid overtime. I said haven't you got a Union; she said yes, but they basically say do your normal paid hours then go. Presumably this would leave patients without a nurse; so they would have to sue the Hospital management, and maybe things might change. BUT, it's all down to money, or rather lack of it; whilst demand is increasing. I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the marketplace of an insurance company, than just us trustingly giving £100billion a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 PJ sees it as his job to drown out all opinions but one. I just hope he's different down the pub ey up its the self appointed forum bobby lol. The place is dead and boring and needs livening up. If you fancy a pint and a natter pm me and we can get together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 And you wonder (or maybe don't) why people don't use this forum. Bill Hey Bill I have a great idea, why don't you start your own local forum, that's sure to be a great success lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 "Insurance based"?????!!! Even Farage has dropped that idea ! The NHS is a victim of it's own success in terms of medical advances; of political interference, and of rising demand. Folk need to decide just what it's parameters should be, then having decided, meet the costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Oops my bad those are the words of Farage , I forgot to quote him. Shows though that deep down the NHS is not safe with that bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Reading through..i take it the NHS has a 4 Hour target? correct me if i am wrong..If i went to our Hospital and had to wait 4 hours in the A&E they would have a problem... i have never waited longer than 90 minutes and only then if the A&E is full...Now you know one of the main reasons why my Mrs wouldnt live in the UK..PJ An Insurance based Service is a good one.. we have it here and it works well... never have any problems with appointments for Drs or Dentists,if i want to see a specialist i go and make an appointment....Lots of Plus points for such a system... I have a insurance card(with Photo) which allows me treatment no card no treatment or you pay cash... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 And if you cannot afford it Steve? Then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 We have optional health care for the lucky folk who can afford it and that shortens waiting times for ops erc considerably but it has no A and E service. One of the problems is that as outreach for mental health patients etc have been chopped they have nowhere else to go but A and E departments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Everyone can afford it as long as your Legaly here,, if your out of work or on DHSS payments then they pay it for you,For any Mental health patients there are Clinic´s here where they can go and be treated or if needed can be put on a Ward of course there are shortages but if needed they will be treated.. As for Ops well i dont think i have ever waited long for one..i can get an Xray done within two hours if my Drs wants one done, MRT or CT within two weeks if its not urgent..if Urgent then 48 hours max.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Think the system was originally based on "national insurance". Steve, the Germans tend to be more efficient than us, don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 They also don't tolerate people taking the mickey out of their systems. A serial abuser of the healthcare system over there will soon find it more and more difficult to get a doctor to see them. On the other hand, doctors surgeries in Germany (at least, in Augsburg where I regularly go) are open hours which are geared to people who work rather than people who don't - so it is possible to get a convenient GP appointment. Which takes the pressure off A&E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 What is a serial abuser of the healthcare system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 The disadvantages of Private medical insurance apart from the cost, is that it will always exclude certain conditions including accident and emergency. It will not cover you for pre existing or incurable conditions and obviously is more expensive for those who need it most ie those who are most at risk of becoming ill including the elderly. It may fall down on speed of treatment but give me the NHS anytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 But when the health service is prepared to pay for sex changes and breast enlargements but will withold life saving or life extending cancer drugs etc because of the cost, the system has to be classed as broken With the ever growing list of things that are now curable (at a price) the NHS cannot be all things to all men anymore; there just isn't enough cash available.... and with crippling PFI payments, crippling drugs costs etc. something has to be decided as to where the line is drawn We can't carry on extending peoples lives just because we can; people aren't all meant to live to be 100+ and then of course when we do keep people alive longer than nature intended, there is the added cost of the care they will then need in their older age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Obs I dont know if the Germans are more efficent but they do tend to keep things on Track and give the best service Possible...at a price of course and using the system they do it means the money paid in is paid to the Health Service and not to the Goverment to use for other things..I know exactly how much goes into my Health insurance each and every month..same as my Pension fund..Inky Pete Curious whats a serial Abuser?? and no matter what they do here you always get to see a Doctor no matter what..They cant refuse you here..its been tried and they lost.. Wolfie This isnt Private Medical Insurance but normal health care,its just that the money stopped from your wages go straight to the Krankenkasse (health service) and not to the Goverment who then spend on other things..The KK(krankenkasse) are not allowed to turn you away by Law no matter how ill you are or have been or will be..Do they still Wards in the Hospitals or 2 and 3 Person rooms like they do here? Having been on both the NHS and German System i would choose the German on any day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 So sort of like an NHS but German Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 yep sort of...lol...if i recall in the UK its National Insurance which includes your State Pension ect unlike here each is a seperate deduction so you see how much has been deducted and what for.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 It's quite a high percentage isn't it?. I read over 15% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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