Davy51 Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 You see what we have to watch for now is a prisoner going to the ECHR to get a ruling on the uniformity & length of sentences within EU signatory countries. I believe there are some countries with a capital sentence of 21 years so i'm sure this could be a future target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 1. Jailed 1996, released 2005, murdered again 2008 2. Jailed 1971, released 1989, murdered again 1989 3. Jailed 1989, released 2006, murdered again 2008 4. Jailed 1971, released not stated, murdered again 2009 5. Jailed 1989, released 2009, murdered again 2009 6. Jailed 1992, released 2005, murdered again 2005 7. Jailed 1993, released 2008, murdered again 2008 8. Jailed 2002, released 2010, murdered again 2010 9. Jailed not stated, released not stated, killed again 2011 10. Jailed 1981, released not stated, murdered again 2010 11. Jailed 1987, released 2009, murdered again 2011 12 .Jailed 1988.... released for weekend leave 2000 Killed again 2000 Now realising that your sympathies lie with the assortment of lowlifes and incompetent social workers and none at all for the victims, I won't have further discussion with you on the subject because basically you are an idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Eagle.... there is another one... jailed 1988.... released for weekend leave 2000 Killed again 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Surely, in the interests of fairness, if capital punishment is unsafe because an innocent man may be executed by mistake, then a convicted murderer should lose his freedom for the rest of his life. Unless of course he is somehow found innocent while serving his sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Telegraph ..... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7147662/Killers-freed-to-kill-again.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Eagle.... there is another one... jailed 1988.... released for weekend leave 2000 Killed again 2000 Noted and added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Eagle you are a pillock, and you will not discuss because you know where I am going to go, but I will try anyway So from 1971 to 2011, 12 people were released wrongly by the parole board, between 1971 and 2011 how many cases have the parole board heard?, then will you state your 12 as a percentage of this figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 read the article Kije.... you may wake up to the fact that in the past 10 years 31 people have been killed by murderers who were deemed safe by the parole board... 31 people.... but of course they are victims and don't have human rights any more to be defended by your wonderful ECHR do they?..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Any system with people involved will make mistakes Baz, as you know, And I think the parole board was in existence before the ECHR, so to blame them is just plain wrong. and just shows desperation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 I wasn't looking for discussion Kije and only a clown would introduce debate, I posted facts that suggest reviewing life sentences was a nonsense and that our Euro masters, who happen to be your heroes, should butt out of our system. If our out of touch MPs bottle the question of Capital Punishment then Life Imprisonment is the next best thing but it must be whole of life. I am sick to death of seeing the same sound bites when incompetents and their superiors will not take or lay blame. Everyone knows them, 'a serious case review', 'steps will be taken', a full and vigourous investigation', etc. Kije, Patron Saint of Eurocrats, incompetents and criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Eagle, As a moderator on another site, I would have thought you would hold off on name calling, perhaps not but is that the best you can do. Eagle; a name synonymous With Bitter Old Fart, Who can't see the wood for the trees and is too proud to ask. Living proof that the little Englander Buffoon is still not yet extinct. Good job I am patient I can wait I had forgotten how quickly your limited brain resorts to insults, For a brief second I thought your IQ might have reached your physical bodies age, Sadly not!!!!!, We live in hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockcutting Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 I have read this topic, with interest. The top and bottom of it all is that Barristers/Solicitors/Lawyers are going to make a killing! I thank you. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Presumably at an increased cost in legal aid to the tax-payer?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 I have read this topic, with interest.The top and bottom of it all is that Barristers/Solicitors/Lawyers are going to make a killing! I thank you. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris1066 Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 I read somewhere recently that when Capital Punishment was repealed it was on the understanding that the Judiciary could impose whole life sentences when appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 Any system with people involved will make mistakes Baz, as you know, And I think the parole board was in existence before the ECHR, so to blame them is just plain wrong. and just shows desperation. to dismiss the unnecessary deaths of over 30 people as "a mistake" just shows the contempt you have for the victims of serious crime... and yes the parole board was in existence before we had the ECHR but they only make matters worse because they allocate human rights to scum whereas prior to them we just executed them and then there were NO killers let out to kill again.... and I am not showing desperation; it is despair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Lt, I wonder if you would have the same opinion if a member of your family had been murdered by one of these cretins, somehow I doubt it!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 It is a fact that no body is perfect algy, mistakes sadly will on occasion be made, be people are wrongly convicted and go to prison sometimes for years, people are let out of prison when they should not. I find it odd that you care about the cock ups that come out of prison but not the ones that go in. No system anywhere is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 What's the answe then..? Scrap prisons altogether....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Good question Cleo, as I said earlier,people will make mistakes.Nobody is perfect, I think we just have to except the fact, that mistakes will be made from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Bring back hanging then, and accept that mistakes sometimes happen Lt Kije? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Absolutly not Asp, If the hanhing turned out to be wrong, would you try the hangman for murder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 The hangman isn't the person who passes the sentence, just the executioner. Why say that mistakes sometimes happen when a murderer is released who goes on to commit more murder, but not accept the mistakes that may sometimes happen with capital punishment? They both end up with the death of innocent people. Or perhaps the members of the parole board who release a reoffending murderer should be locked up for life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 What Grace Dent says: There is, it feels, a wafer-thin line in the human condition between what makes us fair, civil, humane and decent and what makes us barbarians. Right now, I’m happy for Strasbourg to carry on patrolling these borders. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/appalled-by-the-fuss-over-human-rights-for-serial-killers-try-dubai-8700709.html I like Grace Dent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 The hangman isn't the person who passes the sentence, just the executioner. Why say that mistakes sometimes happen when a murderer is released who goes on to commit more murder, but not accept the mistakes that may sometimes happen with capital punishment? They both end up with the death of innocent people. Or perhaps the members of the parole board who release a reoffending murderer should be locked up for life? The murder goes back to jail, it is the hangman that pulls the trigger so to speak, and in English law would be liable along with the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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