Lt Kije Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 :lol: Your ancestors probably didn't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Someone should have told them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Our ancestors were certainly not as gulable as we are today; they would never have fell for all this man-made global warming nonsense for a start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Our early ancestors thought you would fall off the edge of the world if you walked far enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 With the rate of inflation exceeding the rates of return on savings, and the printing of more money (Quantative Easing); financially responsible grumpies are currently being robbed. But the real reason Dave won't make an overt attack on them is that, as a group. they tend to vote. Â Obs, this phrase " quantitative easing " ,is it what they used to call devaluation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I know, and the problem with the Euro Zone is, they can't do it, whilst we can - still a case of ripping off savers though. Kije, think you need to revisit the basics of capitalism - those who lend, want a return on their investment; those who borrow have to pay it. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway60 Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Buying to let is parasitical in nature...exploitation of those less fortunate than yourelf....Most buy to lets are mortgage based. The poor sods who are renting are paying your mortgage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Capitalism is, by it's very nature a rat race; and as in any race, you will get winners and losers (more of course of the latter). If unfettered by political controls, wealth gaps will continue to increase, with consequent social and economic division. The only way to temper this process is through a continual redistributive tax system, channeling money back to the majority and thus increasing consumer demand, which keeps the whole economic show on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 Buying to let is parasitical in nature...exploitation of those less fortunate than yourelf....Most buy to lets are mortgage based. The poor sods who are renting are paying your mortgage. Â But If people didn't buy to let, there would be nowhere for those "poor sods" as you call them to live Safeway..... they still wouldn't get mortgages so they would be on the streets.... Â Some of those who rent houses do so with the assistance of housing benefit and no mortgage provider would touch anyone without a job or on benefits. Â My Parents, Grandparents and great grandparents all lived in houses owned by others (Catherine Street, Pierpoint Street etc)so why is it such a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 They might of got a council house Baz, but Maggie sold them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 So Loo, do you ever think before you type? Maggie stopped Baz's great grandparents from getting a Council house. You really are running out of ideas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 but Eagle.... don't you realise that in Kije's eyes; everything is Maggies fault; even if it did occur in 1888!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Prior to WW2, most Prols had to live in private rented housing; often in overcrowded and slum conditions. Thanks to the Luftwaffe and the '45 LABOUR Gov Council Housing came into general use; given a boost by the Rachman scandal. Thanks to Maggie, around 20% or more have been sold off, thus depleting the stock; and thanks to Bliar they've never been replaced, let alone increased - so basically we've just regressed to the pre-War situation, with the exception of them having indoor toilets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 It was Labour who first suggested that council tenants should have the right to buy the property: Â Labour Party Manifesto 1959 Â See the Housing section, last paragraph. Â In true political party style, Labour only opposed the idea when the Tories introduced it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 In true political party style, Labour only opposed the idea when the Tories introduced it. Â Isn't that what opposition parties are supposed to do? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Think the point I was making Asp; is that they were both anti-Council Housing. both Cons and Labs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 of course they are..... it means they have to be responsible for stuff if they own council houses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Eagle, the buy to let market took off after Maggie, gave the right to people to buy, it also took social housing into the private sector, And being honest I don't think any one thinks they have done a good job, unless you think any different ? Â coincidentally Maggie also stopped councils building new council houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 So you agree that Maggie didn't stop Baz' grandparents getting a Council house but you put it in anyway to enhance another of your lost causes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 coincidentally Maggie also stopped councils building new council houses. Â So there have been no council houses built since 1980? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not many Asp, Labour said they would do something about it but never did. Or started to and never finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not many Asp, Labour said they would do something about it but never did. Or started to and never finished   As I remember she changed the rules on council borrowing to stop them building new homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 I understand the ruling was that councils were barred from using the revenue from council house sales for new building until their debts had been paid off, hence some councils were able to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not quite  The 1989 Housing Finance Act ‘ring fenced’ a Housing Revenue Account in Local Authorities which banned any Council Tax contributions and allowed the government to make sure very few profits on sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 .. plus a desire to reduce the PSBR, led to their wholesale off loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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