observer Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 It appears the Government are commited to parliamentary debates being triggered by public E-petitions, should they have sufficient support. Good or Bad idea? Seems the first test of "the will of the people" V "the will of parliament" will be on the issue of the restoration of capital punishment. IF the majority of folk favour a return of capital punishment, but our elected MPs know better - doesn't this mean that the idea is a waste of time in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 E-petitions, not worth the paper they are written on. How will they check that all the petition entries are genuine. as an example I could send in three different entries using the three email addresses that i currently have.So what is to stop some large organisation who want something bringing up in their favour from swamping the system with e-mails from addresses set up solely for that purpose. Most off the e-petitions follow the format of copy this and send it to your mp or whomever. Also wonder how many will end up in the "SPAM" folder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 The last government used e-petitions for years and the few I electronically signed did ask for name and postal address too so I gues there must be checks so had I used my four email addresses with the same name and postal address I guess they would not have been accepted. The new government stopped the facility but must have re-introduced it again from what Obs says. Anyway, despite what I have said I do agree with Evils, they are a waste of time and yes large organisations with a lot of people could indeed use it to their own benefit. For the few I signed all that ever happened a once the deadline had gone a brief reply was received on behalf of Gordon Brown saying that he had seen the petition, read the content BUT blah blah blah ... in other words tough 'you know what' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 So it seems their are some technical difficulties concerning possible abuse that need to be overcome. However, in theory, one could attain a truly participatory democracy (providing ALL folk actually participated), via the net. The civil service could pose questions for the public and/or propositions could be made on line, fully debated and voted on - thus making parliament and politicians redundant - £80million plus saving straight away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 The debate on returning Capital Punishment is great news.... unfortunately our MP's will do what they did last time and vote with "their" conscience and not what their constituents want. Unfortunately, because ALL politicians are naturally lilly livered nancy boys, the thought of capital punishment will be "abhorrent" to them and it will be dismissed. Unfortunately, the abhorrent crimes that some people commit are ignored by these politicians and they favour the line that the criminal is a victim too who should be helped and nurtured like a new born...... sadly the victims of murder do not have a say once they are dead and the families rank even lower down on the importance scale than the criminals so there will be no return of the rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Last poll I read it was a 50, 50 slit on capital punishment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Didn't actually mean to start a thread on capital punishment; this idea clearly shows the glaring difference between the elected and the electorate. There was an MP on TV tonight and his arrogance was frankly unbelievable - basically a "we know best" attitude, basically asserting that politicians should lead public opinion rather than follow it - and there's me thinking they supposed to represent public opinion. So much for democracy. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 If anyone ever intentionally killed a member of my family I would happily point the gun at their head, flick the switch, administer the poison or tie the rope around their necks, or at least I think I would as thankfully I have never been in a situation where anyone I know has been murdered so I can only guess that the hatred I would feel for them. But on the other end of the line would be that person's family or parents pleading for me not to kill their brother, sister, aunt, uncle, father, son, mother or whoever.... maybe they had not meant to, maybe they were drunk, maybe they swayed by others, maybe ........... so what they still did it ! So what would I do ? A life for a life and all that ? Should everyone who intentionally kills be taken out of society for good? I have no idea (thankfully) but the biggest part of me says a definate yes but then a tiny part of me says that is the easy way out for them. Whatever, they certainly should NOT be housed in a soft cell prison full of free privileges and rights, possible early release for good behaviour etc etc. If a person kills another either intentionally and/or premeditated then they should lose their 'lives' too even if reality that means just to cage them with the very minimum needed to keep them alive and nothing more (if they have to be kept alive) so that they suffer for the rest of their lives for what they have done !! Does that sound a bit harsh ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 No - but it's not the point of the thread - it could easily be about coming out of the EU or EHRC - basically the political class would just ignore the Plebs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 To a degree Obs I agree with you, but as we have found out, some media organisations can push politicians into doing things they do not want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I agree with you obs we should not be straying off topic so I shall raise a new one regarding capital punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Oooh gosh I though this one was about that Shall I move all the relevant posts from Baz's first CP one over to the new topic Obs/Algy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 There was an MP on TV tonight and his arrogance was frankly unbelievable - basically a "we know best" attitude, basically asserting that politicians should lead public opinion rather than follow it - and there's me thinking they supposed to represent public opinion. So much for democracy. :roll: In a recent survey 1 in 3 politicians were found to be just as stupid as the other 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 No suprise there then Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 In a recent survey 1 in 3 politicians were found to be just as stupid as the other 2. That is the best and most true statement I have heard for ages Wolfie.... I literally laughed out loud!! Thank you for that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 It's what happens when you experiment with dogmas, rather than apply common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Well, the first e-petition (a call for rioters to lose their benefits) has had a 3 hour debate in Parliament - surprise, surprise, it was voted down - wonder how many MPs actually attended this debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I give up, tell me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The latest e-petition to muster 100,000 signatures, is calling on the Gov to get a grip of immigration - perhaps a little late, given the recent relaxation by the UKBA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The latest e-petition to muster 100,000 signatures, is calling on the Gov to get a grip of immigration - perhaps a little late, given the recent relaxation by the UKBA! I don't think relaxing a few checks n EU travellers would have made any difference Obs..... now if they had had that debate before Labour opened the doors to every EU economic migrant across the Channel to come calling, that may have made a difference and maybe we wouldn't have so many kids out of work because instead they could be doing the low paid jobs the foreign chaps are all doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Won't argue with that Baz, Labour basically invited the Poles over and now they have the nerve to call the Tories. Fact is, none of them have contributed anything to a managed system of immigration control, but rather the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Perhaps the Poles actually applied for the jobs Baz, and our kids did not, or the Poles are being paid under the minimum wage by the bosses of the companies, it might be better to go after the bosses who are employing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Surprised they are employing Poles, if they really want cheap labour, they could employ the Afghans or Somalis; oops sorry - they'll all be on benefits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Perhaps the Poles actually applied for the jobs Baz, and our kids did not, So you are assuming now that all of our kids don't want to work? That there are more kids now who don't want to work than there were say 5 years ago before the poles could come and take the low paid jobs when youth unemployment wasn't such a problem? I wonder why youth unemployment has risen with the increase of cheap eastern european labour.... Maybe the two are linked?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Actually Baz, not all the Poles are taking low paid jobs; some are highly skilled cos employers can't get the right skills locally - which means our education and training system ain't working either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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