harry hayes Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 How right are we tut tutters about standards in this country, and how far is it just a normal progression to 21st century life. As just two examples of the former, educational standards seem to have slipped and how can swearing at policemen not lead to a further corrosion of what is acceptable? Is it just we oldies who are worried? Happy days Statistically 6 out of 7 dwarfs are not happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 If your here long enough H, you may see a time when murderers are sentenced to 2 hours on the naughty step! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 How times change, when I worked in Prestwich Hospital their were women in their who had been put in for having babies at 16 and some for having babies when they were unmarried,. They had spent their entire lives locked up. Theirs nothing like the good old days, when we had standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Guess they'd be full nowadays?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 They were full then, They were just out of sight, and out of mind :!: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 How times change, when I worked in Prestwich Hospital their were women in their who had been put in for having babies at 16 and some for having babies when they were unmarried,. They had spent their entire lives locked up. They call them council estates these days Statistically 6 out of 7 dwarfs are not happy. But only 1 in 7 said they were grumpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Kije, do you "honestly" like things the way that they are, or do you just like making meaningless comments whenever anyone critises the current behaviour of the population. Yes there were things that were wrong, but change should be gradual. Closing those hospitals through a lot of people out on the streets without any support or guidance that was meaningful. And I don't care "whose" fault it was. it is OUR country and things should be done for OUR country, not for a politician's ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 What I am saying each generation remembers the goods things but forget the bad, hence you say things were better back then Was it right to lock people up for having a child when unmarried, no it was not. Just found this from the 1950s. It comes out of the Daily Mail so it must be true http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1364656/Missing-woman-reunited-family-60-years-disappearance.html 50's was your time wasn't it Peter, Well I'm glad it doesn't happen now. The good old days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Answer the question!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 I prefer things now,compared to the way they were, does that answer your question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Think the original question was about "standards" - women were consigned to institutions cos having illigitimate kids was a cause of social shame, in a society which, on the surface at least, was less "sexually liberated". Now such women are rewarded with Council accomodation and a career as a benefits claimant. Take your pick which "standard" is preferable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 It take 2 people to have a baby, the women got locked up, double standard, at least now the CSA try to retrieve money. And not all single parents live in sink hole estates Obs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 .... and not all single women would have been sent to assylums - it's a question of wealth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Lots of people live together these days and don't get married, I agree some girls do make a living out of the benefit system, but that is a relatively small number when you add up how many babies are born in the UK every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 They only get money back off compliant fathers. If it means doing a bit of work,as in chasing those who don't care, they don't bother. NO. You didn't answer the question!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 With undependable fathers, benefits is a more secure bet - plus they may get some additional cash from the Dads when/if they call round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 They only get money back off compliant fathers. If it means doing a bit of work,as in chasing those who don't care, they don't bother. And you know this how Yes its you oldies that are worried, does that now answer the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 I wouldn't want to go back to the time when young women were locked away for becoming pregnant but on the other hand, a little bit of shame and fear does wonders for behaviour. Today's youngsters put themselves and their wants first, not something we were encouraged to do and I don't think it helps them at all when it comes to attitude and the work ethic. We have allowed things to go too far but I don't know where the solution lies. I think the vast majority of ordinary people want the standards of behaviour they were taught as children, but many in today's society seems to want to fight against this, vilifying parents and schools who try to instill discipline, many of whom are now at breaking point because of the child centred learning enforced by the Labour administration, which leads to chaos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Think you will find we were churning them out when the last Tory government were in as well Silverlady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 We have the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Sadly your right Obs, but it has started to come down,but it has a long way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Do you all have 'standards' and if so what are they and how did you get them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Do you all have 'standards' and if so what are they and how did you get them ? Manners. Discipline. Self control. Respect for other people. Respect for my betters. Respect for the law and police. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (Not do unto others "before" they do unto you.)Without an in-depth analysis, that's it. Some taught by my parents, others adopted as my way of life. Perhaps you need another thread about what doesn't matter. Perhaps Kije can pull that to pieces as an ageist thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Nothing ageist about those Peter and you have very good standards. Infact they are pretty identical to mine and of most of the people I know (although I obviously have to say that I have far more than you in addition ) So despite our age differences they are quite 'standard' and like you say all part of a good upbringing etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted July 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 I agree with the above but would add 'fear' Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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