observer Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 It appears that the European Court of Human Rights decision to sustain an appeal by a prisoner for the right to vote, places the wishes of of the British people and the Mother of Parliaments in a secondary role. The recent vote in Parliament alas is NOT binding on the Government, who are now fearing being sued by prisoners lining up for compen. Having heard more of the arguement, part of the judgement was based on a blanket" ban in the face of specific descriminatory legislation; so it appears the balls in the Government's court to introduce appropriate legislation OR to withdraw altogether from the HR convention; which clearly is being abused by those who abuse the human rights of others then run to Strasbourg to save their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 Give them compo for the loss of the right to vote. Then stop their spouses benefits on the outside (because they now have money in the bank) and also charge them bed and board for their stay! Might even get more back than is paid out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 They bring in a marginal allowance and then run it again ECJ to try it out. They wont pull out of the ECHR as that would mean totally leavign the EC. The idea of compo however i like. The scumbag gets it and then the victim in the knowledge that the scumbag is cash rich sues for damages and he loses it all. Cut out the middleman and just pay the victim back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Yet another arguement for leaving the EU then! But wasn't the ECHR signed up to seperately to EU membership? Seem to recall Michael Heseltine making this point on a TV discussion. IT'S THIS ONE PJ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I understand it was but you woudl then have different laws in different countries conflciting with other laws regarding free trade etc. It would be chaos and create all sorts of jurisdictional issues. As i said a compromise is likley but after some granstanding from all aprties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primedius Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Total waste of time voting on it. Nothing will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Perhaps it might just make these politicians realise that they can fight back instead of rolling over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 There is a very strong will to fight bck among the public. I fear less strong among MPs, despite the vote from half of them, as they see the European scene as a future possible promotion. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Perhaps the Brits should follow the example set by the Egyptians?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Just shows peoples ignorance, and the amount of propaganda about the EU, It has nothing to do with the EU, and everything to do with the council of Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Ignorance or not Kije.....the majority of the British people do not like to be dictated to by anyone outside of Britain. We should be given a referendum and get the hell out of it all. Then you and your fellow collaborators can go and live with Pierre and Fritz in happy Euroland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Before you vote you need the facts not propaganda, and thats all your getting, and this thread just shows how much propaganda their is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 ahhh well as long as you know that you know more than we do that is all that matters. In any referendum; If this forum is anything to go by, you will be in the massive minority Kije; and that is all that matters to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 What should concern you is your vote should be made on fact not fiction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Since when has any vote for a Political Party been "based on fact"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Most people react to what they see affecting their country and their own lives. It seems clear that many of the policies inflicted by the EC have a negative effect, demonstrated by the lack of jobs for British over foreigners (ignoring the usual arguments on those who don't want to work) and the Human Rights laws which seem to put criminals rights above victims. The British are known for their sense of fairness so you can't expect them to happily accept laws which are clearly loaded against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I have been told that "Despite the often repeated misconception, the ECHR and the EU are separate beasts and the UK could potentially withdraw from the ECHR without having to leave the EU. However, it is also wrong to say that ?the EU has nothing to do with the ECHR?. In fact, future EU accession to the ECHR, the EU?s Charter of Fundamental Rights and the growing amount of EU rights legislation is blurring the lines between the two to the extent that is becoming increasingly difficult to separate them. EU accession to the ECHR (the negotiations started last year) could allow ECHR rulings to impact on the UK through the back door. The UK would be forced to accept any EU law modified in response to an ECHR ruling." Too complicated for me. Lets get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Who told you that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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