tonymaillman Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 As centuries have passed are we really advancing as much as is said we are ?? the 'rapid loss' of REAL skills and abilities to survive without something done for you by pushing a button are - I personally think - not so much advancements .... or are they ? any thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Specialialisation and vocational inter-dependence has allowed technical advances at an ever increasing rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I'm sure ancient Egyptians and Romans thought these same things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 My personal view is that the more advanced we become technically, the more backward we become. Â Could our children live through a three day week or fight a war like www2? Â We are just not prepared for disasters. WHY NOT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 A soft life produces a soft society - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted January 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Originally posted by observer: A soft life produces a soft society - True ......... and a selfish society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Student Geoff Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Originally posted by Peter: My personal view is that the more advanced we become technically, the more backward we become. Â Could our children live through a three day week or fight a war like www2? Â We are just not prepared for disasters. WHY NOT? I think yes - it is our generation that has become pessimistic - how many of us fought in WW2 probably NONE - so who are we to make that judgment on the young - you'd be surprised how resilient they are when really challenged - after all they can certainly can do good and very bad things when they want. Â [ 09.01.2008, 06:56: Message edited by: Student Geoff ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Geoff I agree - it is easy to make a blanket assessment of a group and I was being tongue in cheek when I stated about the Ancient Egyptians and Romans. Â But having said that our western society has become lax and more and more self centered. Things are handed to us, many do not have to work very hard to get what they want, let alone need. The hands on workmanship is going and almost gone in our countries - we import an awful lot of things. Â But - kids are resilient and can amaze us in positive ways when we least expect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted January 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I'm glad you stated that the Ancient Egyptian and Roman reference was tongue in cheek ........ there's never been a civilization since them who are even a close comparison. Student Geoff (whoever you are) - none of us reach the pinnacle of where we want to be without hard work and perseverence, I think that goes without saying ........ and YEARS of hard work might I add !! Basic everyday skills of yesteryear are rapidly disappearing simply because this 'so called' advancement of today is making a society that will eventually be idle, and where normal lateral thinking will not be needed. Is that advancement ???? maybe I'm too old and wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 It is man's destiny to "bodly go" etc; so if he survives the "four horsemen"; that's exactly what he will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connecticut Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Originally posted by tonymailman: Basic everyday skills of yesteryear are rapidly disappearing simply because this 'so called' advancement of today is making a society that will eventually be idle, and where normal lateral thinking will not be needed. Is that advancement ???? maybe I'm too old and wise. Advancement??? maybe-maybe not...but the way we are going it is inevitable. What will it be like when we "advance" to the state of just "existing" with no sense of purpose or need of thinking? I do not want to be here to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Non-scientists, the un-skilled etc will become surplus to requirements. :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 but they havn't started gassing them - yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 The more creature comforts we have, the lazier or less skilful we apparently become. Â Cooking would be a good example in my eyes. In my day there was the odd can of stuff, but meals had to be prepared pretty much from scratch. Â Toast made by yourself in front of a fire, wow. Â Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little fella Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 and don?t forget the chestnuts on the shovel. How many times did that piece of paper catch alight when you had to draw the fire up. The fire got that hot we had chilblains. Â Ice on the inside of the windows. Snuggled up in bed with dad?s wartime RAF greatcoat as an extra blanket. Not so many germs in them days. Â I was about 7 or 8 when I first leant how to mend my own shoes, and everyone boys or girls learnt basic cooking skills off their parents. Good moral fibre. Â Has anyone still got the plans for making a go cart, silver cross pram wheels were the best for the back, not sure what we used for the front, the building site were also an attraction for getting the right wood and nails. ?Hey mister can you ??.. ? the workmen were quite good. Apart from when things were not going well, I didn?t know they were swear words then, when I told Mum what he said I soon found out ~ carbolic soap does not taste nice. Â What a life of fun and happiness, every day was play day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted January 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Nice post little fella ...... basic cooking is one of the many things that is gradually disappearing ......... nowadays a lot of stuff is ready to 'pop' into a box that bombards it with radiation to warm it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 ... and it ain't all good for us either - too much sugar, fat etc, it's killing us! - perhaps a ban on eating the stuff in enclosed public spaces?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted January 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 would that be an enclosed space with at least 3 sides to it ? ....... as per the silly rules for the smoking ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 There was a prog on TV about the rubbish being sold by the super-markets and the complete lack of labeling info for the public - one wonders why our Government Health Facists havn't stepped in on this one?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Just a thought ........ are modern day weapons of 'mass destruction' an advancement ????? is the ability to 'wipe out' literally millions of people with one weapon a good sign of 'so called' technological advancement of the human race ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Inevitable - advances in technology have always been applied to weapons first. The problem is, although man has advanced in terms of technology; his mental capacity hasn't moved very far from the cave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonymaillman Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Fair point, thus you think weapon 'advancement' has reached its peak ? can you really 'supposedly' advance on a weapon that can kill millions at once ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Billions perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 No doubt - the arms race is never ending - until we're all dead at least! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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