Observer II Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 Having voted to escape one super-national entity - the EU; seems there are plans afoot by the globalists to empower the WHO to manage future pandemics. I believe the Tories have rejected the idea, but the concern would be a Starmer Government, prone to selling our National Independence . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Would have thought the in the case of a worldwide pandemic that inter party politics would be the last thing to worry about. Bill 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 No Bill, it's about who in Government would sign up to such a loss of sovereignty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 You need to think back to when the pandemic first kicked off when there were no vaccines and the whole thing looked unstoppable and we were all scared to death about it. At that point, ask anyone who they would rather trust to take control of the situation, a worldwide health organisation or a couple of political parties squabbling about sovereignty. I know what I’d think. 😊 Your bright and early this morning? Bill 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 If we're subordinate to a super national body, we lose our sovereignty - simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Yes but better than being dead. 😊 Bill 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 No guarantees either way. The best defence against a pandemic is to compartmentalise your Country so the bug doesn't get in, in the first place. But given our utter failiure to secure our borders, this would seem unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, Observer II said: No guarantees either way. The best defence against a pandemic is to compartmentalise your Country so the bug doesn't get in, in the first place. But given our utter failiure to secure our borders, this would seem unlikely. I think you mean isolate rather than compartmentalise. North Korea did that - it failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 Venice was doing it in the 16C - it worked. 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 It also worked at Eyam against the plague. Village self sustaining OK. Town with water access to wholly uninfected area - possible. A whole nation which is not fully self sufficient - i.e. any modern nation ( even Russia and North Korea) in a global pandemic - not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 Plague carried by humans & animals, stop them entering the Country, without quarantine - sorted. 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 16 hours ago, Observer II said: Venice was doing it in the 16C - it worked this was when travellers were mainly travelling on foot or horse back with the occasional horse and cart. fairly easy to regulate entry when it is is just a few travellers. with air travel, cruise ships, road and rail access then not quite so easy. where there were a few hundred a year visiting now there re that many an hour. steps can be taken but should be at place of origin rather than at destination where it is too late when it comes to spreading disease. one person with an infectious disease in its early low symptom but infective stage will infect whomever they travel with as with covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted May 16 Author Report Share Posted May 16 If you remember the Covid saga, first we heard there was an outbreak in Wuhan, China. So logic would dictate no flights etc allowed in from China; but no; HMG actually put on special flights to bring Brits home from an infected Country. Initially, they provided a coach to take them to a hotel in the Wirral for isolation, no doubt having coughed on the coach driver and others ! They quickly gave up on this, and allowed returnees to make their own way home, via public transport etc, thus ensuring any virus was spread. So within weeks, if not days, the genie was out of the bottle, and the rest is history. Essentially, that's the lock down or isolation model. The alternative is of course, the herd immunity model, which basically means encouraging infection, on the basis that some folk will build anti-bodies and survive, whilst writing off the rest. This is essentially what happened throughout history, where various plagues killed off around 50% of populations. The only saving grace in our case, was the rapid production of a vaccine, to provide immunity; but even that is now under criticism by anti-vaxers, as being a hoax and a bid by big pharma to make huge profits. We still have no definitive answer whether Covid was or wasn't man-made, we still have labs throughout the world cultivating lethal pathogens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 We live and rely on world trade so we can’t ever prevent a pandemic spreading. The only thing we can do is to minimise and try to slow things down sufficiently while measures are put in place. After that it’s a finger’s crossed it doesn’t wipe out too many before vaccines and herd immunity slow things down. I remember reading or seeing something about new varieties of virus coming from the remnants of comet dust which seems capable of surviving for a long time in the upper atmosphere. Probably a load of old chutney but it would go some way in explaining how Spanish flu managed to spread so rapidly right across the world despite there not being no mass air traffic at the time. That particular virus simultaneously decimated remote native Alaskan tribes who were completely isolated and had no possibility of external contact. Bill 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted May 16 Author Report Share Posted May 16 The 1918 "Spanish" Flu, originated in the USA's Army training camps, and came to Europe with Pershing's Army. Like so many cases throughout history, diseases originate and spread in densely populated and low sanitary situations, and usually killed more soldiers than the enemy. There are "extinct" viruses below the perma frost in Alaska and Siberia, which, together with methane, global warming is predicted to release. Seems, given the current attitude, those who want to survive, will have to practise self isolation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted May 18 Author Report Share Posted May 18 More doom and gloom - seems we now have a "novo-virus" epidemic on the go, plus whooping cough and areas of the Country with a virus in their water supply. Still, I suppose third world conditions will suit our growing third world population ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 On 5/15/2024 at 1:47 PM, Observer II said: No guarantees either way. The best defence against a pandemic is to compartmentalise your Country so the bug doesn't get in, in the first place. But given our utter failiure to secure our borders, this would seem unlikely. We live in a time of international air travel, YOU cannot compartmentalise your Country so the bug cannot get in. You could be in Botswana one day, and back in London carrying a virus or bug into the Country the next, long before you show any symptoms of being ill, you know this Obs, but still post crap!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted June 2 Author Report Share Posted June 2 No longer a need for personal travel - we have the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 4 minutes ago, Observer II said: No longer a need for personal travel - we have the internet. So you holiday on the internet, your food comes from the internet????, please put your brain in gear, before posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted June 2 Author Report Share Posted June 2 Well start looking at your own MSM, these holiday destinations no longer want us there - and I don't blame them ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 2 minutes ago, Observer II said: Well start looking at your own MSM, these holiday destinations no longer want us there - and I don't blame them ! Wrong, only a few don't want us there, Venice being an example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted June 2 Author Report Share Posted June 2 The Canairies, the Costas, Balerics et etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 2 Report Share Posted June 2 7 minutes ago, Observer II said: The Canairies, the Costas, Balerics et etc. You should actally read the stories, The Canaries for one are not against tourism, it's the present model of tourism they are against, 35% of their GDP comes from tourism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted June 2 Author Report Share Posted June 2 That's why they were scrapping on a beach then ? ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 On 6/2/2024 at 9:51 PM, Observer II said: That's why they were scrapping on a beach then ? ! They are not, do your homework read all of the story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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