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Having voted to escape one super-national entity - the EU; seems there are plans afoot by the globalists to empower the WHO to manage future pandemics. I believe the Tories have rejected the idea, but the concern would be a Starmer Government,  prone to selling our National Independence .        :rolleyes:

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You need to think back to when the pandemic first kicked off when there were no vaccines and the whole thing looked unstoppable and we were all scared to death about it. At that point, ask anyone who they would rather trust to take control of the situation, a worldwide health organisation or a couple of political parties squabbling about sovereignty.

I know what I’d think. 😊

Your bright and early this morning?

 

Bill 😊

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No guarantees either way.  The best defence against a pandemic is to compartmentalise your Country so the bug doesn't get in, in the first place.   But given our utter failiure to secure our borders, this would seem unlikely.   :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Observer II said:

No guarantees either way.  The best defence against a pandemic is to compartmentalise your Country so the bug doesn't get in, in the first place.   But given our utter failiure to secure our borders, this would seem unlikely.   :rolleyes:

I think you mean isolate rather than compartmentalise. North Korea did that - it failed.

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It also worked at Eyam against the plague. Village self sustaining OK. Town with water access to wholly uninfected area - possible.  A whole nation which is not fully self sufficient - i.e. any modern nation ( even Russia and North Korea) in a global pandemic - not a chance.

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16 hours ago, Observer II said:

Venice was doing it in the 16C - it worked

this was when travellers were mainly travelling on foot or horse back with the occasional horse and cart. fairly easy to regulate entry when it is is just a few travellers.

with air travel, cruise ships, road and  rail access then not quite so easy. where there were a few hundred a year visiting now there re that many an hour.

steps can be taken but should be at place of origin rather than at destination where it is too late when it comes to spreading disease. one person with an infectious disease in its early low symptom but infective stage will infect whomever they travel with as with covid.

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If you remember the Covid saga,  first we heard there was an outbreak in Wuhan, China. So logic would dictate no flights etc allowed in from China; but no; HMG actually put on special flights to bring Brits home from an infected Country.  Initially, they provided a coach to take them to a hotel in the Wirral for isolation, no doubt having coughed on the coach driver and others !  They quickly gave up on this, and allowed returnees to make their own way home, via public transport etc, thus ensuring any virus was spread.  So within weeks, if not days, the genie was out of the bottle, and the rest is history.  Essentially, that's the lock down or isolation model.   The alternative is of course, the herd immunity model, which basically means encouraging infection, on the basis that some folk will build anti-bodies and survive, whilst writing off the rest.  This is essentially what happened throughout history, where various plagues killed off around 50% of populations.  The only saving grace in our case, was the rapid production of a vaccine, to provide immunity; but even that is now under criticism by anti-vaxers, as being a hoax and a bid by big pharma to make huge profits.  We still have no definitive answer whether Covid was or wasn't man-made, we still have labs throughout the world cultivating lethal pathogens.    :unsure:

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We live and rely on world trade so we can’t ever prevent a pandemic spreading. The only thing we can do is to minimise and try to slow things down sufficiently while measures are put in place. After that it’s a finger’s crossed it doesn’t wipe out too many before vaccines and herd immunity slow things down.

I remember reading or seeing something about new varieties of virus coming from the remnants of comet dust which seems capable of surviving for a long time in the upper atmosphere. Probably a load of old chutney but it would go some way in explaining how Spanish flu managed to spread so rapidly right across the world despite there not being no mass air traffic at the time. That particular virus simultaneously decimated remote native Alaskan tribes who were completely isolated and had no possibility of external contact.

 

Bill 😊

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The 1918 "Spanish" Flu, originated in the USA's Army training camps, and came to Europe with Pershing's Army.  Like so many cases throughout history, diseases originate and spread in densely populated and low sanitary situations, and usually killed more soldiers than the enemy.   There are "extinct" viruses below the perma frost in Alaska and Siberia, which, together with methane, global warming is predicted to release.  Seems, given the current attitude,  those who want to survive, will have to practise self isolation.     :rolleyes:

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More doom and gloom -  seems we now have a "novo-virus" epidemic on the go, plus whooping cough and areas of the Country with a virus in their water supply.   Still, I suppose third world conditions will suit our growing third world population !      :rolleyes:

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