Bye bye Boris -

[Observer II]

A total cavalier, who promised to "get Brexit done" and didn't, devoid of political conviction and a ready victim of Machevellian politics;  brought down by a process controlled by people who had made their judgements public before any fair hearing of his case.  I don't think anyone comes out of this smelling of roses,  it merely confirms the slimy sewer like depths of our current political system.      😠

[Bill]

Irrespective of individual views on his character, he clearly resonated with the majority of the public, so much so that a poll carried out by one of the news channels said that if Boris were to form a breakaway party he would have massif public support. I think people have had it up to the back teeth with all the constant messing about at the moment.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

No doubt Boris had a degree of charisma above and beyond the rest;  but his self absorbtion and absence of conviction caused him to fail in his primary task - "to get Brexit done".   His cavalier approach to duty, made him vulnerable to the back stabbing efforts of political enemies, which he underestimated.  

[Confused52]

You totally underestimate the power of the apparatchiks that Blair knowingly put in place throughout the establishment, hereinafter referred to as the blob. It would not have possible for anyone to do much more without stopping the instruments of government completely. We are stuck with the blob forever now as it was designed to serve Labour and still does. Only when both parties agree that their ability to govern is made impossible will it stop and the civil service once again become servants and not masters.

That the public cannot elect a government of their choice and have it enact their policies is effectively a coup d'état and we are witnessing that right now with public servants of all colours in outright conflict with the government because of political differences.

[Observer II]

I don't disagree with that assessment; but a politician with conviction would make it their business to sort it out. Can you imagine Thatcher putting up with such a state of affairs ?   

[Confused52]

45 minutes ago, Observer II said:

I don't disagree with that assessment; but a politician with conviction would make it their business to sort it out. Can you imagine Thatcher putting up with such a state of affairs ?   

The problem is that it spreads and those between Blair and Boris let it happen because they were what Thatcher would have called wet like "Howe". Cameron's government was full of them bending over backwards for the LDs. One ministry I dealt with had a minister who told his department not to rock the boat in the EU, when the UK industry was desperately trying to push them into acknowledging that the the UK market was simply not suitable to apply the proposed regulation. It started and became impossible to stop without throwing  the baby out with the bath water well before Boris, who is a very clever Buffoon!

[Observer II]

Extreme situations require extreme solutions imo;  so we need a Corps of zealots to replace the blob.   Same thing is happening in the US,  with the FBI & CIA interfering in the "democratic" process, think they call it the "deep State".   

[Confused52]

No we don't need that. Just proper management, if they refuse to do the job then they should be in it. Strike action is different altogether but taking action to not do what the contract says you should is gross misconduct. After a documented challenge by management they should be sacked but not for going on strike. It will take time but that is the only sane way to go as it reduces confrontation a bit at a time.

[Observer II]

But you need a Corps of committed folk to replace them,  and they occupy every facet of our institutions; plus the tap needs to be turned off, by removing the woke liberal brainwashing from our education system.   

[Confused52]

16 minutes ago, Observer II said:

But you need a Corps of committed folk to replace them,  and they occupy every facet of our institutions; plus the tap needs to be turned off, by removing the woke liberal brainwashing from our education system.   

That is making the same mistake again. We need free control by civil society not another hidden dictatorship. Teachers have been indoctrinating kids with socialism for over 40 years that I know of. We need to start at teacher training and look for indoctrination but I don't know where to start with curing it because it is so widespread. Idealism is a natural state for the young so schools are a hard problem to get right, I don't have an answer

[Observer II]

There is an ongoing process of feeding young minds with fake information, such as the insertion of blacks into our history; like the black prince was actually black etc.  This cultural Marxism has to be countered with common sense.   Instead of allowing half our young folk into Universities on Mickey Mouse degree courses, we should be producing the vocational skills necessary to our economy.  

[Confused52]

Guido Fawkes is on the Warpath and has seemingly got 'compromat' on One senior Tory on the privileges committees, Wonder if Harman and the others are squeaky clean?

[Observer II]

This is frankly no surprise to me, I thought at the time that the majority of the political class and their lackeys would be living it up in London, while the peasants were suffering.   Politics is well and truly in the sewer.  Over in the US, they've got Donald on Trumped up charges, of taking "secret" documents home, when they know that Biden and Pence have done the same.  Looks like the Western democracy is rotten to the core.     😠

[Confused52]

Do read the report - it is a clearly sinister and malicious prosecution which calls into question whether parliament should be allowed to regulate itself. They increased the penalty from 10 to 90 days because Boris had the temerity to complain about it turning out to be a kangaroo court after all. Justice is not justice when it is vindictive and this report is clearly vindictive.

[Observer II]

I don't disagree,  but the idea that beyond the conforming masses, there was any observance of "the rules" by the upper echelons is farcical imo.  It would be interesting to know of the antics of Harman and Co during lock down, indeed we know about Starmer, who managed a cover up.  These are the kind of folk in any catastrophic scenario that will use their power and privilage to escape;  bit like the 1st class passengers on the Titanic, while the 3rd class were locked in.        Listening to discussion on TV, I was reminded that our Country was taken to war by a statement to Parliament concerning Iraq's possession of WMD's; I don't recall a privilages committee being involved in investigating that lie.   

[Observer II]

Does the MSM expect us to believe for one minute, that the only people partying during lock down were Tories ?   There was a pandemic of "partying" especially among generation of the "we know it all" middle class,  with deliberate "get infected" parties at outside gatherings.  We even had nurses doing dance routines in hospitals, to post on the internet.  So simply put, he who is without sin, cast the first stone.    

[Evil Sid]

still it is a great distraction from the fact that brexit is STILL awaiting completion.........

[Observer II]

The political elite, never intended to complete Brexit, indeed they're working on taking us back in.   The irony of course, is the beginings of the collapse of the EU,  with Sweden and Poland now talking about exit referendums, and a move to the common sense right throughout Europe. Germany has commited economic suicide with it's green inspired closure of nuclear and coal power stations, and the US blowing up their oil and gas supply.  The Russians must be having a belly laugh.  😄  

[Lt Kije]

On 6/19/2023 at 2:39 PM, Observer II said:

The political elite, never intended to complete Brexit, indeed they're working on taking us back in.   The irony of course, is the beginings of the collapse of the EU,  with Sweden and Poland now talking about exit referendums, and a move to the common sense right throughout Europe. Germany has commited economic suicide with it's green inspired closure of nuclear and coal power stations, and the US blowing up their oil and gas supply.  The Russians must be having a belly laugh.  😄  

Complete tripe!!

As to the dipstick this topic is about, he was an incompetent baffoon, who was only out for himself

[Observer II]

See your still into an in depth critic of other opinions, that don't coincide with your own programming !😀

[Lt Kije]

13 hours ago, Observer II said:

See your still into an in depth critic of other opinions, that don't coincide with your own programming !😀

The man broke his own rules, OBS, the rules were for everyone else, that’s how much he thought of people, and on Brexit, he ended up screwing Northern Ireland as like you, he had no idea about the UKs commitments and treaties, they had signed

[Observer II]

The guy was an opportunist baffoon,  who doesn't believe in anything but himself, who threw Brexit under a bus.