Examining the entrails -

[Observer II]

Well, all the experts and politicians are trying to put a favourable spin on last nights local election results,  which basically saw defeat for both main Parties, as public frustration with the Brexit debacle was translated into votes.  However, the LibDem and Green elation at benefiting from protest, could be rather premature, as Leave voters had no one to vote for,  leaving them to spoil their ballot papers or not vote at all; hence the low turn outs.   The real test of the public mood will come later this month with the Euro elections, where the pro or anti Brexit  mood will be clearly established.  As one BBC commentator said, both May and Corbyn are like startled rabbits, caught in the headlights of the Euro-election HGV, speeding towards them, and not knowing which side of the road to jump.

[Davy51]

It's like all this hand wringing over the people's vote. We had a referendum 3 years ago that the politicians haven't been able to deal with so what problems would another one cause ? We look like being in a perpetual state of transition where all sorts of ills are inflicted on the populace under the cloak of Brexit.

[Observer II]

The fact is Dave, the majority of MPs just don't want us to leave the EU, and all the prevarication is designed to bring about a reversal of the referendum decision. The arrogance of these politicians shows in the assertion that "Remain" should even be on any future ballot paper; Remain lost; it's now a binary choice between a deal or no deal; but MPs don't want either.  If their is such a thing as divine justice, it should come with the Euro-Election.

[Davy51]

I think the Euro elections  have been worked towards  as  setting a benchmark for  upcoming  procedure towards exiting the club. I think  lack of  Brexit leaning MPs will result in a quick referendum with a view to staying in.

[Confused52]

Dave, I still think that the Krankie is putting the kibosh on any second referendum. If we had one for Brexit then Scotland would have one too. However the Government is dead set against a second Scottish referendum so it has to be dead set against a second Brexit referendum unless remain is not one of the choices!

[Observer II]

Think you may be right there Con,  but the overall problem with all this, is that we have no politicians (in power), who have a clear vision of a Brexit future, simply because most don't believe in it and those that do, have too little knowledge of the EU and thus how to deal with it.   As for Mz Krankie,  the irony is, they want freedom from London, but are prepared to accept enslavement to Brussels instead - not quite Brave Heart !   

[Davy51]

The obvious thing for the politicians to try to do is get as many voters out as possible for the Euro elections .If there is a leave majority of MPs follow a leave agenda. If Remain wins the day ,stay in the whole sorry shambles. No good throwing more good money after bad to provide funds for another increasingly likely referendum.

[Observer II]

Doubt that scenario Dave:  There will be only one Party (if we dismiss UKIP) for Leave voters to vote for = BREXIT.  Remoaners will have the rest to split their vote, so perhaps the polls have it right..

[asperity]

It looks like the BREXIT party will have trouble getting many votes in Warrington after this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48141670

Colin Parry has tried to get her to condemn the IRA actions but she won't.

[Observer II]

It's not a vote for individuals, but for Parties, and it'll be about priorities no doubt.

[Davy51]

But the whole European  elections will be a very good indicator of what the voters actually want ,depending on turnout of course. The more Brexit leaning MPs  after the election should mean the majority of voters want a clean split from the EU with negotiations to proceed accordingly. We know local or mid term domestic elections are no barometer  for voter preference,as shown by the protest votes giving credence to fringe parties , however if those minority parties turned out to produce a majority of UK MEPs would Brexit then be a dead duck ?

[Observer II]

What's amazing about this whole saga, is that, according to the rules, we should have left the EU on the 29th March (without a deal) - which would have settled everything.  The fact that the EU are granting "extensions" , is merely to ferment discord within the UK,  and the possibility of a change of mind or a much softer result.  IMO, they don't want us in any aspect of the political, rule making forums of the EU; but they really do want our money.  So the soft,  NOrWAY style options, being pushed by Labour and anti-Brexiteers would suit them fine. All pay and no say - even worse than Remaining in.  They talk about "compromise",  without understanding that a binary choice doesn't allow compromise -  bit like a debate over eating a Turkey; in order to eat it, you have to kill it;  what the Remoaners seem to want, is to surgically remove the Turkey's leg to eat, thus leaving it to hop around and still lay eggs !    😉

[Stallard12]

I think that the illegal witch hunt against Trump and the efforts of the British MP's regarding Brexit, conclusively proves that all politicians should join the lawyers on the first rocket ship to Mars.  Good riddance, they're giving the sane people of the world a daily case of heartburn.