Bazj Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 And we are handcuffing them in the process. We have just jailed a 70 odd year old man for non-payment of poll tax and recently we had another pensioner who was a woman; strip searched when she was admitted to prison. This Labour government is overseeing something which is absolutely abhorrent. When we are letting people who carry out violent attacks on innocent people free on bail and with community service orders how the hell can we allow this to happen? Most pensioners haven't got to pennies to rub together and yet these monsters in government are jailing them for making a stand; it makes me sick and ashamed to be English Brown and his cronies should be shot for this. No wonder he bottled out of the election, no wonder he bottled out of a referendum on the European constitution, no wonder he gets his cronies to gather round and answer the difficult questions; Labour are finished. They have shown themselves to be totally inept at running the country for anything other than their own gain. The election can not come soon enough and to be honest, I think Brown will be ousted by his own party long before that though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Problem is Baz: the other two main Parties are as bad. The establishment has always come down heavy on financial and property crime by the peasants, much more than crimes against people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 And to back that up, the HMRC are more powerful than the Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Obs... you are right about the other two parties but I just had to vent some steam. I was absolutely bloody livid when I heard this on the radio today. The Labour government was voted in as a party for the working people. The same people who had been subjected to the previous 18 years of tory government which only seemed to some to have benefitted the well off in society. However, after a few years, the cracks began to appear in the labour logic and they too began to line their own pockets with as much of our cash as they could before they get found out and thrown out of office. The two Helens should be stacking shelves at Asda by the end of the next election. Not only that, they have given away all of our rights to some idiots in brussels and we are now left with a situation where there is nothing we can do as a people. We have been totally shafted by the state to the point where voting for other parties makes no difference. Our government is more interested in helping other countries with monetary aid and gifts and charity, while paying our pensioners a pittance and then getting a broadside from the tories who also want to stop giving fuel allowances to pensioners who live abroad but say nothing about stopping the handouts to foreigners working here but with dependants all over the globe! It is a bloody and absolute disgrace. Jailing pensioners?, handcuffing them?, strip searching them? for not paying council tax, but we let the likes of that Swellings scum out on bail for violent crime? if anyone fancies trying to defend these actions please do.... I am dying to find out how it can possibly be defended! But there is nothing we can do.... so lets all get drunk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I'm tee total Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 There is of course no need to send pensioners to prison, a most disgraceful state of affairs, for non payment of the Council Tax. The Courts can simply impose an attachments of earnings/pension order and extract the money that way. A very good point is made regarding the non imprisonment of one of Mr Newlove's murderers. Non payment of taxes is unacceptable, however that pales into insignificance compared to somebody who should have been in prison for violence, was not, and who then went on to commit a most vile murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Quote:The Labour government was voted in as a party for the working people. I thought that the two B's wooed Business and the Middle classes to get elected. They dumped the unions and old Labour. :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Let's get down to fundementals: the main cause of all our woes in the UK is membership of the EU, with it's half baked "human rights" legislation/courts; it's beaurocratic red tape; it's complete lack of any control over migration and it's bunch of faceless politicians living off the Brussels gravy train. We clearly need a Party that is prepared to stand up for Britain and it's people and consign the PC toga wearers to the dustbin of history. [ 19.02.2008, 19:08: Message edited by: observer ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 ....and it appears that we in Warrington are now to face a 4.7% increase this year for council tax to plug the councils 134m budget black hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 so in effect, our pensioners are paying for the council workers pensions!! God I love this place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trojan Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 BazJ, I can understand your annoyance with this government, but the decision to take this man to court and prosecute him was taken by a Conservative council. The same council that voted themselves a 35% increase in allowances which was 50% more than an independent panel advised. The total extra cost to taxpayers was more than ?91,000. This is the second time that this man has refused to pay his council tax and the main reason is a protest at the councils use of taxpayers money and the increase in council tax of 94% in 7 years. By all means vent your anger at the next general election to remove a corrupt government but try not to replace it with another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 So pray tell us Trojan: which Party is the incorruptable one?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Good question obs. It is quite clear that all political parties (not necessarily individual MP's) are corrupt, so how do we get rid of corruption, and how do we get rid of this eternal cycle of voting out a party because of sleaze and corruption only to replace it with exactly the same? :confused: It seems that it is the same at local as well as national level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Trojan... my annoyance is justified and it has absolutely bugger all to do with the fact that this guy has refused to pay twice. He is 76 years old and under no circumstances should he be hand cuffed and strip searched by anyone. The handcuffs were put on by officers of the state and thereby the government. The whole system is corrupt, you just have to see recent events to see that. MP's paying family members for doing nothing, claiming for houses they already own.... the list of corruption is endless They should all be banged up. It may well be a tory council but it is a Labour government that pulls all the strings and makes all the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 The decision to impose a custodial sentence was taken by the magistrates, who are a law unto themselves. Handcuffing a person while being escorted to and from court was done by contractors who followed the rule book explicitly. This chap wasn't even protesting about the fact that HE couldn't pay, it was on behalf of all other pensioners who can't pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Originally posted by BazJ: Trojan... He is 76 years old and under no circumstances should he be hand cuffed Up to what age is it ok to handcuff someone who is being sent to prison :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 I wouldn't like to put an exact age on it Robbo but if you are advocating that it may even be slightly OK to handcuff a 70 odd year old who hasn't paid his poll tax then you must be a totally insensitive person. He was probably treated worse than most burglars and the like just so they could make an example of him to teach them other pensioners that it isn't worth messing with the authorities. The real debate is that this government and its agents and its police force have lost plot. It is easier to get a conviction for "crimes" like this than it is to tackle the real issues on the streets and so it will continue....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Having read the news stories on this and also the gentleman's past I applaud him for standing up for what he believes is right. I also applaud his family for supporting him! It has also shown the very sorry state that our country is falling into regardless of which courts, councils, government leaders and whoever else you want to blame.... This quite simply should not be happening and it is pathetic ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little fella Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 With another huge rise pending in poll tax, and a hike in every other type of tax and utility bill, but with little or no increase in pension where is this money meant to come from? Its ok for fat cat mp's and councillors saying that they want more and more money for their follies but at the blunt end of this argument some people cannot afford to waste this kind of money from their meagre earnings. I would propose all people over the age of 80 should not have to pay any poll tax. All people over the age of 75 should have a 50% reduction. Most of that age should be on benefits anyway and get some reduction, but some who were thoughtful enough to save for a private pension get nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 LF... my old mum falls into the latter category. She is 85 and lives in Bewsey in the same house she was born in. My dad was the chauffeur at Crosfields for donkeys years and when he retired he had a bit of a pension. He died after only 4 years of retirement and my mum gets a small percentage of that pension. Because that takes her over the personal allowance with her state pension, she pays tax. Only a few quid but she still pays tax at 85... and that stinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Plus Baz, because of means testing, she probably gets no benefits either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 You are quite right. She gets no benefits at all except the fuel allowance and a free TV license! but still has to cough up for societys freeloaders. Mind you, I saved her ?190.00 a year on home and contents insurance the other day by going to the post office. Damn good deal! She gave me a pound for my troubles!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Plus, I'm sure you don't mind paying taxes to support the families of Poles back in Poland?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little fella Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Baz It may be worth a try, these small pensions are pain the the provider. I have been told of a few that are willing to offer a cash sum for settlement of pension. That would then take her below the line and she could claimquite a few benefits. If you work out the benefits that she could get and they are greater than the pension and plan 1 does not work cancel the pension altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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