asperity Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 I was starting to agree with you Lt Kije, but then you come up with unutterable nonsense about a naturally occurring gas (CO2) giving us skin cancer!! You are as bad as Obs!! :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 CO2, in the atmosphere removes the ozone layer, so more harmful light will get though(UVA) UVA also contributes to skin cancer. The more of the ozone layer that disappears the higher the risk.? Global warming wheather coursed by man or just being a natural phenomena, will lead to more UV radiation, which is a course of skin cancer. Not trying to open an already spent thread I was just pointing out that Obs seams very concerned about lung cancer, but not skin cancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 CO2 in the atmospher removes ozone layer my arse! What is damaging the ozone layer is all the damned rockets and satellites the yanks keep sending through it at high speeds and temperature! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 IMO CO2 is just as dangerous to health as the old chestnut passive smoking ,the only difference being that CO2 is everywhere but smoking can be avoided.I should imagine the government will be pretty miffed about losing all their smoking taxes if it is really radon that is causing lung cancer in parts of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 You've always got to take the discussion OTT Kije: I mentiomed the radon gas, merely to highlight the dangerous nature of radiation: and right on cue we get a news report of fish caught of west coast USA carrying traces of the Fukashima incident. Think you'll find it's CFCs that create holes in the ozone layer and UVF from the Sun that causes the skin cancer - don't think we'll be getting rid of the Sun though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 No we will not be getting rid of the sun, put we are trying cutting back on C02. And do you really won't to add to the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Can't get rid of the sun, just think of all those page three girls that will be out of a job :oops: The thing is everything is radioactive to some degree. It is the type of radiation, the amount of exposure and length of time of exposure that causes the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 It's not just gamma Sid; Alpha and Beta (which only travel millimetres), can cause problems if inhaled or ingested. :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 The ozone layer is not disappearing. Global warming has long been proved to be a load of baloney (natural variation), and the latest studies from Japan show that the only people at increased risk of getting cancer (and don't forget that most of us will get some form of cancer in our lifetimes) due to the Fukushima incident are about 167 workers who were directly exposed to radiation at the reactors. There is a lot of unnecessary scaremongering going on here :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Global warming has long been proved to be a load of baloney... Got a link for that, er, evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 There's loads of it out there if you bothered to look, instead of just swallowing wholesale the propoganda of the WWF, IPCC Greenpeace and most of the MSM (most notably the BBC which can't let any event pass by without throwing global boring or climate change into the mix). Try reading "Watermelons" by James Delingpole, or "The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken For The World's Leading Climate Expert" by Donna Laframboise. As for the radioactive fish,here's an article which puts them into perspective: Tuna :wink: There's a load of scaremongering going on because it raises money for the scaremongers. :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 With you there Asperity. Anyway what's the point of worrying? There are but two certainties in life. The first is that we are all born into this life. The second is that sooner or later we are all going to die. Enjoy yourself it's later than you think. Enjoy yourself while you're still in the pink. Enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself, it's later than you think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Sorry, asp, perhaps I should have specified "credible" evidence. James Delingpole - degree subject: English Donna Laframboise - degree subject: Women's Studies I'd prefer to trusts scientists' opinions in matters of science, as suggested here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/24/science-reporting-climate-change-sceptics And please, spare me your patronising accusations of propaganda when things like this are happening: ...the decision by the United States supreme court to overrule the law that allowed the federal government to place limits on independent spending for political purposes by business corporations. "That has opened the gates for corporations – often those associated with coal and oil industries – to flood the market with adverts that support rightwing politicians and which attack government bodies that impose environmental regulations that these companies don't like," she said. "The science that supports these regulations is attacked as well. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/19/science-scepticism-usdomesticpolicy If you don't care what kind of environmental legacy you leave for your kids and grandkids, that's up to you, but some of us may feel a greater sense of responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Tell that to the Chinese! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Well, it isn't called "Warrington World Wide" for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 There was a whole in the ozone layer a few years ago Asp,C02 has long been known to be a green house gas, And what make the books you read right, nothing other than you choice to believe, your view on global warming is a minority view and getting more so every day. Global warming has long been a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 CO2 obscures sunlight, hence the greenhouse effect - nothing new btw, it's happened before - believe it was blamed on dinosaur flatulance! It's actually CFCs that cause holes (or wholes!) in the ozone layer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 your view on global warming is a minority view and getting more so every day. Can you support that with evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 easy to support that view as it not global warming any more but climate change mind you it should not have any effect on Britain as we don't have a climate, we have weather instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Most Governments, are now in agreement about global warming Peter, Are you saying it all a conspiracy ??? That is one hell of a conspiracy, to get that many governments on board, hell if they can work that closely on a conspiracy to pull the wool over their populations eyes, just think what they could do if they worked for real over World hunger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 "Most Governments" arn't "onboard" - the third world has an interest in industrialising, which requires greater energy consumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 And, to add to our woes , our galaxy is likely to be devoured by the galaxy Andromeda in about 6 billion years so i would say our long term outlook is bleak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Most Governments, are now in agreement about global warming Peter, Are you saying it all a conspiracy ??? That is one hell of a conspiracy, to get that many governments on board, hell if they can work that closely on a conspiracy to pull the wool over their populations eyes, just think what they could do if they worked for real over World hunger I thought that the Government didn't want to know until the EU told them to do something about the carbon print. Then they realised that it was a money spinner. It could only happen in the UK. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 It's very strange that there is loads of money to be made by convincing the gullible that the only way to save the planet is by giving government more of our money so that they can waste it on vanity projects like the EU and windfarms. Fugtifino - Grauniad creditable? Don't make me laugh. They are no more creditable than their bedmate Auntie Beeb :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Incidentally Fugs, I don't suppose you bothered reading either of those books did you? No, because they don't meet with your fixed view of the world. And don't give me any of that "saving the planet for the children" claptrap. More propaganda to woo the gullible :wink: The planet is big enough to look after itself thanks very much. Obs and Lt Kije, there has always been a hole in the ozone layer which varies in size with the seasons. The scientists who "discovered" it didn't give themselves time to realise this. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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