Bazj Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The link attached shows he action being taken by the Lancashire Council of Mosques to ensure that schools are forced to serve only Halal foods.... I must say that this worries me as to me; Halal slaughter is a cruel and unhygienic way to kill animals for food and should we be changing our whole system to cater for what is at the moment only a couple of percent of the population? Sheikhs and Hindus are forbidden to eat Halal food under their religious beliefs.... so why is serving Halal food becoming such a major issue? All of the big food producers and many councils seem to be fighting over themselves to climb on board the Halal bandwagon.... http://www.lancashiremosques.co.uk/Schools-Endorsed-as-Halal-by-LCM.php 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Have you seen how non halal chickens are slaughtered? Feet tied together, hung on a carousel that goes around and whack! heads chopped off while the chicken is still alive and aware. Not barbaric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 That is as maybe Cleo.... but I personally am not comfortable with having food that I eat ritually slaughtered to standards set by some religion worshipping a god that I don't think exists... There are more non Muslims in this country (in fact there are probably more non-religious people altogether) and this should not be the norm. We should not be dictated too and held to ransom by religious beliefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The problem is that a lot of food we consume is halal but not labelled as such. As I understand, it a large proportion of New Zealand lamb imported to the UK is slaughtered in that fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Nando's: http://www.nandos.co.uk/halal-chicken Warrington branch not on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Nando's: http://www.nandos.co.uk/halal-chicken Warrington branch not on the list. Or Widnes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Religious beliefs are imo a private affair, and should play no part in the running of a secular society - so if they want Halal, they should sort it themselves - this is about personal preference, not essential need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 If they are not happy about the food being dished up then why don't the kids parents just make them a damn packed lunch containing whatever meat they are allowed to eat rather than forcing councils and schools to change everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 sorry Obs... I forgot to press submit and yours wasn't there when I started. I guess that's sort of what you meant too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Religious beliefs are imo a private affair, and should play no part in the running of a secular society - so if they want Halal, they should sort it themselves - this is about personal preference, not essential need. They should not be able to "sort it themselves " - as a civilised country we should not be allowing this barbaric practice in UK based abattoirs or importing the meat produced through the same practice abroad. If muslims find themselves unable to consume properly slaughtered meat then I guess vegetarianism is the way to go. Conventional slaughter may not be perfect - but that is no reason to allow a worse system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I am more concerned about how the food tastes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 So Nick; your free for all endorsement for immigration and the "multi-cultural" society, doesn't quite extend to allowing said cultures to pursue matters relating to said cultures? Do I detect a little movement towards the idea, that we should have ONE secular society, with common standards and practises for all (at least in public); to which our guests assimilate?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 So Nick; your free for all endorsement for immigration and the "multi-cultural" society, doesn't quite extend to allowing said cultures to pursue matters relating to said cultures? Do I detect a little movement towards the idea, that we should have ONE secular society, with common standards and practises for all (at least in public); to which our guests assimilate?! It's not as simplistic as that - oh and I don't regard someone as a guest just because they are of a different faith, darker shade of skin. It is also not as simplistic as secular v faith. Although I do feel that the government , in all its aspects should be secular, I do not feel that should apply to society as a whole. I believe that every rational adult has the right to do whatever they wish - either individually or as part a group so long as there is no negative outcome or, if there is a negative outcome, then it is only to his or her self. I do not feel it is acceptable to dictate what "common standards and practices " people should follow - is someone wants to be a Christian, Jew, Muslim , or other that is not the business of you, me or the government. I am not suggesting that those who are of the Islamic faith be made or even encouraged to eat food that goes against their religion - just that if unacceptable cruelty is involved in the slaughtering of meat to satisfy their requirements then such meat should not be made available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 But it's part of THEIR faith Nick; anachronistic and primitive I know; but you either believe in multi-cultural toleration or you don't! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 you either believe in multi-cultural toleration or you don't! Again you are being too simplistic - I believe everyone has the absolute right to do what they wish within the limits I have outlined above. Only when there is a negative outcome, other than one restricted to the individual - do acceptable restrictions need to be arrived at. in any case I think you'll find that Muslims are forbidden from eating non-halal meat , they are not required to eat halal meat - I apologise if that distinction confuses you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Do I detect a little movement towards the idea, that we should have ONE secular society, with common standards and practises for all (at least in public); to which our guests assimilate?! And who would decide the common standards, should we all have to wear flat caps and buy a whippet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Again you are being too simplistic - I believe everyone has the absolute right to do what they wish within the limits I have outlined above. Only when there is a negative outcome, other than one restricted to the individual - do acceptable restrictions need to be arrived at. in any case I think you'll find that Muslims are forbidden from eating non-halal meat , they are not required to eat halal meat - I apologise if that distinction confuses you. You believe everyone has the absolute right to do what they wish - providing they have your approval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Seems to be the usual stance of the luvvies Cleo; freedom of speech, thought and action, unless it offends them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Is it really any more offensive to the British attitude to food than horse meat ,veal or CJD infected meat that was enjoyed in roasting tin loads before it was discovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Asda has apparently recalled all it's smart price corned beef today after some was found to contain small traces of bute. If nothing else Asda should be thanked for hopefully diverting this topic away from they way it was probably heading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Asda have now done an about turn and say their processed meat now complies with the trade descriptions act, they have placed it back on the shelves repackaged as "Bute-efull Corned Beef". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 You believe everyone has the absolute right to do what they wish - providing they have your approval Gosh - you chose to misinterpret what I posted - so surprised Cleo with your continued animosity towards me. The level of cruelty in the halal method of slaughter is a negative effect (on top of the death of the animal). It is not for me to decide whether that is acceptable, we live in a democracy. however it is my opinion that it should not be allowed. So if your question is do I approve of things I approve of and disapprove of things I disapprove of then yes - der! Please confirm that it s not necessary for a Muslim to consume halal meat and therefore there is no religious objection to a vegetarian diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Seems some are not happy and are DEMANDING the council does things the way THEY want them done..... http://www.itv.com/news/granada/story/2012-12-04/halal-meat-school-row/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 It is getting worse.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304476/Pigs-CANT-fly-Qantas-pork-alcohol-menu-European-routes-deal-Emirates.html#ixzz2Q2AlGFMy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 The quantas/airline one is fair enough if the plane is landing/taking off in a foreign country where pork is considered 'unholy' and strictly forbidden by Islam as after all you are in THEIR country.... and being on a plane you wouldn't want to annoy them Re the other link from Dec 2012 the mosque chap has a bit of a cheek referring to the head teachers comments as 'one mans personal view which he's trying to dictate upon the whole of the muslims of Lancashire'..... and that he was being anti muslim. I thought the head teacher was being very fair, honest, open and handling it all rather well. If eating meat at lunchtime is not a religious 'requirement' (maybe it is I don't know) then I wonder if a solution for both sides would be to simply use a Quorn substituie instead of hilal meat in those meals ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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