observer Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Interesting prog from Dan Snow tonight about the history of Syria, which showed just how complex and multi-layered the current situation is; and certainly not one for William Hague to allow us to get sucked into. The present is a result of history - the future by our capacity to learn from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Wanted to watch it but missed it, I will watch it on BBC Iplayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 big problem is that we in the west help these so-called democracy movements to overthrow a dictator and help into power some mad muslim driven group who hate the west even more.... look at Libya; and in particular Benghazi, only recently there were islamic groups threatening UK workers with such conviction that the UK government advised UK workers to get out of the area as soon as possible..... so that is the thanks you get..... we should try arming both sides.... less people to hate us whatever the outcome then!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 Think perhaps, it was a case of "the Devil you Know" - the existing "Dictators", were basically secular, keeping a rein on sectarian extremes and much more manageable from a Western perspective. We,ve now got sectarian strife that makes the Ulster "troubles" look like a holiday camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 So why are we rushing to help our potential enemies overthrow our erstwhile allies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 because we are oh so politically correct these days!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 It gets complicated Asp, but - in the case of Syria, Assad holds together an anti-Sunni coalition. The Sunni's are the running dogs of the Saudis, who are currently arming and funding the sectarian element of the opposition. The Saudi's have the oil and funds to buy OUR aircraft etc, and thus influence. On the other hand, Assad was trained in Russia and views them as an ally; but perhaps worse for him, although a secular dictator (who happens to be married to a Sunni), some of his coalition are Shias, who just happen to be influenced by Iran (the current bogey man). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I thought assads wife was British? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 So did I, maybe he's got more than one - being a Muslim has certain benefits Baz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 So did I, maybe he's got more than one - being a Muslim has certain benefits Baz! You are joking.... can you imagine being nagged by two women or even more??? Mind you, the muslim bloke is in charge in their relationship so no arguments and many benefits perhaps?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 The west are handing the world over to these Islamic extremists on a plate tied up with a nice ribbon and in a few years time they will live to regret it!. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 It's a problem of myopic "liberal" Governments in the West, looking at issues through their luvvie rose-coloured glasses and making superficial decisions that end up making situations worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 What is in our best interests ? Do we need tyrants running these countries who will trade their oil & other goods with us & who will buy arms from us to keep his people in check & maintain borders & keep not just a country but a whole region stable? On the other hand ,do these countries need to be liberated so various religious factions can takeover & fight among themselves, destabilising regions & allowing terror groups to takeover ? The rot started in Iran with the fall of the Shah & then Iraq & if the domino effect is allowed to continue where will the world end up. I know it might not be pc for the west to behave like it does towards certain countries but to take the lid off Pandora's Box would be unthinkable. The west needs to think about its own citizens first & foremost . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I thought assads wife was British? That was King Hussein of Jordan's second wife (Toni Gardiner). Assad only has one wife, and she isn't British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Asma Assad is from Acton, and was a British Citizen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Doesn't quite work Asp, But when I closed my eyes I got a picture of you stalking me Asma, was British, I have no idea if she let it go when she got Married. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Think Basher said he met "my asma" coming out of the toilet ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Come back Enoch and show us the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Come back Enoch and show us the way. That man was a prophet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Prophet of what Clea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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