asperity Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 You really are tiresome Lt Kije. I am not in favour of BAE being sold off to anybody, especially to the EU. However you, by dint of your support of the European project, are in favour of it whatever you might claim to the contrary. As I said before you cannot have it both ways. Either you are in favour of the European project, which you obviously are, in which case you favour integration of ALL our institutions including defense manufacturing with Europe, or you want the UK to be separate from the EU. Don't try muddying the waters by implying I'm in favour of things that are not true. I am all for cutting the EUSSR adrift to fend for itself without our help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Asp, stop trying to read between the lines especially when their is nothing to read, I have stated many times on here, that all strategic industries should stay in British hands, I think you will find the French do it very well . Any industry supplying are armed services should be British, probably like yourself I would prefer are tanks ect to be as far as possible to be made in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 There are no lines to read between. It is the aim of the European project to create a single state in which all institutions come under one government. This is what you say you want and therefore you cannot, with any honesty, say that you want Britain to be, at the same time, separate from and a part of this state. Be consistent, either you want Britain in the European Union as a fully integrated member, or you want Britain to be separate from the the European Union with all the benefits this brings. The EU does not allow it's members to cherry pick the bits they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 It is not the stated aim of the EU, to become a super state, that is opinion Asp and the French do keep their strategic industries French, a lesson hue UK would do well to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 It may not be the STATED aim Lt Kije but it certainly is the true aim, and they certainly have you fooled. The ratchet is alive and well and slowly but surely dragging Britain along the road to becoming a small part of a large institution in which there will be no such thing as British strategic manufacturing. Bliar signed Britain's armed forces up to Europe years ago (RN ships fly the EU flag). What makes you think that our arms manufacturing will be safe from the EU's grasping claws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 A bit of light reading: European Defence Industry Policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 It is not the stated aim of the EU, to become a super state, that is opinion Asp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 lol Good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Which one is Lt Kije? :unsure: :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 A good read At the heart of this policy is the 'Defence Package', designed to set out a modern policy and legislative framework to improve competitiveness, introduce greater transparency and cut unnecessary red tape. Nowt wrong with that Nothing about a Super State Asp I would be equally unhappy if the yanks were trying to buy BAE , it needs to stay British Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 You carry on believing what you want to Lt Kije, but the reality is that the EU will keep on taking more and more of Britain's independence away until there is no more "Britain" as a nationality, only as a province of the European state. I'm sorry that you cannot see this, and I'm even sorrier that most of the Eurpean populace is being herded like sheep into this, expertly guided by the political elite who have nothing to gain from lying through their teeth to their electorates apart from influence, power, money, jobs for their offspring, more money, huge pensions, more power and money etc,etc,etc. So nothing for us plebs to worry about, nothing to see here, keep moving along there lest we have to taser you for your own protection................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 My eyes are wide open Asp, So what was so bad about the European Defence industry policy? Or were you just posting the link out of hope that their would be something in it Anyway I am glad we agree that BAE is better off staying British, as you know it doe not happen that often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 If you had actually read and absorbed the policy you would realise that the intention is to combine all of the European defence manufacturers into one entity "to avoid duplication etc...". But you are so blinkered that you cannot visualise the EU as being anything but good, even though it has proven to be a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 No its not Asp, it is to cut red tape and promote competitiveness, And EADS buying BAE certainly would not do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Competiveness? With whom? I suggest, it's competition with the USA, China, Russia etc; which (in the view of the Brussels beaurocrats) can only come about via a United States of Europe. This would be achieved through the Europeanisation of manufacturing, weapons systems and military forces and other institutions. The EU was born out of a desire (certainly on Ted Heath's part) to end European Wars' the problem is, it will take us in the direction of Wars between Continents - as predicted by Orwell in 1984. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 6, 2012 Report Share Posted October 6, 2012 Looks like some Tory MPs have finally woke up, and written to the PM, about The BAE takeover, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19854286 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Another failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 It seems the merger isn't going ahead: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Good for Rolls Royce and good that the merger is not going ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Well it may have taken 40 years but as long as it doesn't come apart at the seems Mrs Merkel is well on her way to achieving what Herr Hitler's clumsy attempt in 1939 did not... to make Germany the dominant member in a European superstate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 What??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 wavydavy.... I've been saying that for years!!! Even the Greek protestors were proclaiming that Merkels visit was the coming of the fourth Reich!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 In 1940 they tried it with tanks; now they're doing it with banks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Should that be 1939 Obs, and the Germans have nothing todo with the banking crisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Operation Sea Lion was scheduled for 1940. Who do you think is bank rolling the Greeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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