observer Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Seems we're going to finish up with half an NHS, as the Tories allow 49% of time to be devoted to private patients. So we'll have a two tier NHS; with one's place in the queue governed by wallet size rather than clinical need - and it seems the Lib Dums are going along with this nonesence too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's been like that for some time. A few years ago, I had a hernia, went to the Doctor and he got me sorted at Spire as an NHS patient. Plus as I have said before,the Consultants work for both. It could be said that efficiency of service will improve, and wallet size may have nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 It will have everything to do with the size of your wallet, rather than the size of your tumour I'm afraid. Basically it's about cuts in public funding, and allowing Trusts to bring in private money, by using staff time and beds to balance the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Slightly worried about it myself, but think your last comment is a bit extreme, Obs.. For matters of life and death the NHS is pretty kind to we peasants. Think everybody agrees that something needs to be done about the health service. The question is what? Just as an aside - if more people went private, would not that ease the burden on the NHS as private patients already, arguably, do. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Just work out the maths H: 50% reduction in "public" capacity. Then work out what % can afford to fast track via private; leaves the rest in a longer queue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Well, it seems the pressure is on for the NHS, with Trusts claiming 25% of beds could be freed up by providing care at home. I believe what they are refering to, is mainly elderly patients, who remain tied to a hospital due to a lack of care services in the community. So, the NHS is short of cash, and want's to off load funding responsibilties to Social Services, run by cash strapped Local Councils; relying on failing Granny farm providers. Looks like the elephant in the room is euthanasia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Obs.... do you have any idea what you are wittering on about? Home care for the elderly is not free....they pay a contribution towards the cost. The more you have, the more you pay. and as for "Granny Farm Providers", that is a disgraceful way to describe people who care about the old people in their care. Social services may have been a crap deliverer when you were in charge, but I have had only good things to say about the care they and the care agency employed give to my mum.... The biggest problem I find is that they are TOO eager to send people like my mum to hospital. My mum is housebound; very frail but has the heart of an ox! every so often, the "frail" bit gets the upper hand and because of everyone covering their arses due to the ambulance chasing society we live in, they will call an ambulance and bingo.... mum ends up in hospital. That is where the problems start because the proceedures for dealing with old folk are so long and drawn out that a simple "accident" ends up with a two week stay. This yhappend to mum when she stretched on her chair and slid out of it onto the floor. Because she can't lift herself, she was there when the carers arrived..... one ambulance and a two week stay in hospital followed instead of just picking her up and putting her back in the chair.... (she was fine by the way.....) They need to get the process speeded up[ for dealing with the elderly and get them in and out as quick as possible and back home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 NHS could save itself if it charged the drunken patients say £50 per visit. After all thats not many drinks to donate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Suggest YOU wake up and smell the coffee Baz: most charities involved are warning of a "care" crisis, as the elderly demographic increases, and with it, increases in care dependency due to more singles with no close relatives and increases in cases of alzeimers. There is a funding crisis in the NHS and in Social Services; with demand increasing while funding decreases and not everyone has the private means (like their own home) to fund private care, and private care homes are going bust - or can't you see beyond your own personal circumstances to see it?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 You need to realise that all charities are in "crisis" all the time. This is how they wring the money they require out of the givers. If there was no "crisis" there would be no need for the charity :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 obs, I think you are missing what Baz is saying. Baz, can't you get it put on record that your Mum doesn't want to go to hospital unless it is a life threatening situation? And to refer to you or your wife in other cases, such as slipping off her chair or sliding out of bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 Errm nope Peter; the idea that elderly folk can be "gotten out as quickly as possible" presumes one of two things - (a) that there are adequate and affordable home care services available or (b)there are close relatives who care enough to do the job for free; nowadays there are more elderly folk without the means or the close relatives to cope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 nowadays there are more elderly folk without the means or the close relatives to cope. and you know this because?....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I can see beyond my front gate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 I can see beyond my front gate! oh well that's OK then.... can you tell me Wednesdays lottery numbers too or are you not quite that much of a know it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 oh well that's OK then.... can you tell me Wednesdays lottery numbers too or are you not quite that much of a know it all? He will be able to tell you on Thursday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 ahhh yes..... he is just like that character from South Park.... Captain Hindsight!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 so that's where you get your information, explains a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 so that's where you get your information, explains a lot! you are beginning to sound like Kije.... I'd give it up tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 perhaps kije is right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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