Peter T Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 If we didn't sell them arms, the French would. If we weren't there our soldiers wouldn't get shot. Who made the guns and bullets doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Of course it matters who sold them the arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 If we only sold them one, it would be Israel that got it. so happy days That is one disgusting statement LtKije Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Of course it matters who sold them the arms. WHY???? It's a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 So it does not matter to you Peter,that most of the weopons used against us in Iraq and Afganistan were made by us or by the other Countrys that are loosing troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 So what you are saying is that we stop making guns etc, killing will stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Ethically it is all wrong, that is a given. Will our ethical disagreement change things? Nope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Unfortunately, we live in a world that is far from "united", and we've learned from Wilileaks the levels of mistrust that exist between various National interests. So, when not fighting hot wars, there are cold wars, and the supply and support of "allies" to fight those wars by proxy. It's also a usefull means of battle testing many weapons and their tactical use. It also provides a usefull market for exports, and provides employment for highly trained engineers and assists further research. Sometimes, we even loan the money to some despotic regime (providing it's OUR despotic regime) in order to buy these arms from us, thus completing a virtuous circle. And with all the hatred circulating in the world, mainly imo fuelled by primitive religious tensions; the market for weapons is endless. But alas, it's not the weapons that kill, but the warped belief systems behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Should we supply arms to a country, that then might use those arms to kill our troops No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Should we supply arms to a country, that then might use those arms to kill our troops No They can buy them on the Black Market anyway. or through a middle man ie arms dealer. Kije, you can't stop the world going round. The question is, which country falls into that category? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 In a world of shifting alliances and interests, how do you know if an ally will not become an enemy, then use your own weapons against you? Iraq was an ally at the time of the Iranian revolution, when we (rightly) feared the rise of Islamic Fundementalism and their support for terrorist groups, more than we feared the dictatorship of a secular State under Saddam Hussein; and consequently, weapons were supplied to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Lets start with the whole of the Middle east and Pakistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Suggest you check BAE system and Co's order books first - it could mean a lot of jobs - and jobs = votes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I am a-where of where BAE systems sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 ... AND? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 And what Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 So are you proposing that they and all our other manufacturers cease selling in the M/East? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 It would be a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Your naivity seems boundless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Your naivity seems boundless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Obs Do you think we should be selling arms to a State, That in the future stands a good chance of using them against us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 In line with my self sufficiency and nationalist tendencies, I would hope that we could produce better weapons just for ourselves, thus giving us an edge against potential opposition. BUT, that ain't the real capitalist world of free trade - whereby exports (even of arms) should hopefully exceed imports - thus improving the general wealth of the Nation and the wellbeing of it's population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I completely understand free trade Obs I just think we should not be selling arms to certain Countries It is IEDs that kill most of our troops in Afghanistan, a cowedly way to kill people, but very hard to stop even with better technology, Its sad that most of the explosives were made in the West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 alls fair in love and war! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 No They sold them 3 long before the war, they had 7 more on order, But are French allies refused to sell them when war broke out Tuesday 4th May 1982 HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May. ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by 2 Exocet missiles fired by Super Etendards of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow. Saturday 12th June 1982 HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile. Since they scored 4 hits, I think it's obvious that they had more than 3 missiles! In fact, they fired a total of 7 at our ships during the war. 5 air launched AM39 models, and 2 MM38 ship board models launched from an improvised launch system on land. The French claim that they provided the Royal Navy with the correct codes and radio frequencies necessary to jam the radars in the Argentine missiles, but guess what - they lied, the codes didn't work. (oh, and they also supplied the FRENCH Super Etendards to launch them, and the FRENCH Mirage fighers which escorted them, and the FRENCH designed Dagger fighter bombers which sank many more of our ships!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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