Best PR system?

[observer]

So now, we'll have days of haggling over who's going to take charge of Government - the price no doubt, will be a new electorate system - so which form of proportional representation will give relevance to the majority of votes?

[AdrianR]

I prefer principle of 1st , 2nd and 3rd choices. i.e. if 1st doesnt get 50% then goes to second choices etc.

 

It is important to me the person i vote for not just the party.

[LymmParent]

All made a bit of a mess, haven't they? Cameron has ruled out LibDem Coalition, Clegg has said he won't work with Brown. So is that Brown back to Chancellor and Labour retaining control but the SNP, DUP, Sin Fein and Plaid Cymru all joining the gang or is it David Cameron performing his first U-turn as PM? What a lovely start!

 

I am delighted to note that with just 16 seats yet to be declared, the BNP don't have any. Long may that continue.

[observer]

Actually Adrian STV will ensure that the current mess is repeated at every election, but will confine outcomes to the three main parties mainly.

[Dizzy]

Completely agree with you there LP.

 

I'm sick of hearing about it.

 

Cleggy was in the news today rubbing his hands in glee as he knows that both parties could really do joining up with Lib Dims if they want to take over... and in doing so Cons and Labour will be SLATED by the public.

 

I just can't see why Cameron's lot can't take overon their own.

So what if he's a few MP's short as condidering some of the MP's we've had in power in the past few years 50 % of them could go without actually being missed

[LymmParent]

Completely agree with you there LP.

 

Oh it's nice to hear that again, Dizzy!

 

Looking at the numbers as they stand, red and yellow together don't add up to enough. They'd need all the little people too, but could do it with the support of the Irish, Welsh and Scottish parties. I don't understand how Cameron can form a government without a majority. If he can, then so can anyone else, surely?

 

I am more interested in local results though - there are several people I would like to see replaced this time round (and a couple more next time too!). I just hope we have a clear majority for ANYTHING not LibDem by way of a BC. Their GE campaign was exactly like the rest of their stuff. Lots of pictures and paper and very little by way of results!

[Eagle]

I still think Cameron should go it alone and hope for the "others" to vote with him as necessary. If the Lib Dems play silly buggers a fresh election could see them decimated.

[LymmParent]

But what's going to happen if they have to redo the seats where people couldn't vote? I do think that is a serious point in this situation. If there was a majority larger than the affected seats, then clearly it's not worth the administration, but as things stand now, a swing of even ten seats in any direction is a massive thing in terms of gathering a majority.

[Eagle]

Checking the results of some of the constituencies with voting problems suggests that a few hundred votes wouldn't have made any difference. I haven't checked them all tho'

[observer]

In terms of public support at the next election; the LibDems will lose whatever they do; as they will carry the can for the pain to come, along with whoever they ally with. Their best bet would be to get PR agreed by this parliament, which may give them a chance in the next!

[LymmParent]

Checking the results of some of the constituencies with voting problems suggests that a few hundred votes wouldn't have made any difference. I haven't checked them all tho'

 

Yeah, looks that way. BUT, there's already a rights lawyer saying those who missed out could sue and get ?750 each, so I suspect we are about to see massive increases in those affected. In fact, I reckon the entire 35% who don't normally vote will turn out to have been in those queues at some point! That could turn things around....

[Robbo]

The Tories have consistently refused to consider any form of PR. Could this be the first Tory U turn?

[LymmParent]

The Tories have consistently refused to consider any form of PR. Could this be the first Tory U turn?

 

Second. Have you missed the one about NOT forming an alliance with Cleggy?

[P J]

The Tories have consistently refused to consider any form of PR. Could this be the first Tory U turn?

 

Second. Have you missed the one about NOT forming an alliance with Cleggy?

 

third, no vote on EU

[LymmParent]

The Tories have consistently refused to consider any form of PR. Could this be the first Tory U turn?

 

Second. Have you missed the one about NOT forming an alliance with Cleggy?

 

third, no vote on EU

 

Blimey, incredible rate of productivity given they're not actually in office yet. Am I right in thinking that Gordon remains PM until someone has enough votes for a majority? He'll be in no rush then!

[Bazj]

third, no vote on EU

 

A vote on the EU constitution (treaty) is now totally irrelevant and would be an absolute waste of money.

 

Brown sloped off to sign us up in a cupboard somewhere after all the main EU leaders had done so so publicly. He sold us down the river by signing into a treaty that we couldn't then get out of without coming out of the EU.

 

The only referendum the Tories could offer now would be to get out of Europe altogether which the Tories as a whole don't want to do; they were against closer integration hence the pointless exercise of now having a referendum on it

[observer]

... and they (the Tories, along with Lab and L'Dems) have no intention of pulling us out of the EU - so I fail to understand you voting for them Baz?

[Bazj]

... and they (the Tories, along with Lab and L'Dems) have no intention of pulling us out of the EU - so I fail to understand you voting for them Baz?

 

Because although I don't agree with that part of their policy, I do agree with many others...i.e., to me they were the best of a bad bunch of thieving crooks.

 

The EU will implode on itself in a few years anyway. Greece is only the start as we have already had 4 countries (including one of the founding countries) rejecting some of its major policies and only by bully-boy tactics were they brought into line......

 

The German people are not happy with the way the EU is going and more so now having to bail out Greece with its over employment in the public sector and tax evasion from the private sectors.....

 

It will fall (or at least need to undergo a massive reformation; I mean how can they justify moving an entire parliament every month from Brussels to Strasbourg and then back again is beyond me!!)

 

It will happen.... trust me and then Europe will not be an issue anymore and then we can stop this ridiculous immigration from the Eastern Block and get back to being a proper country again instead of being a poodle

[Peter T]

the people in power like being a poodle. They are used to it with the USA. That way, they don't have to make decisions or be responsible for anything. There are NO wise head in major politics anymore, only ambitious Yuppies.

[LymmParent]

The Country's the poodle, the politicians merely fleas - irritating parasites there for a free ride. Trouble is, if the Nation becomes a bulldog again, we'll still have the same flea problem!

[observer]

The inevitable problem of allowing a system of time serving, sycophantic, political carreerism - no politicians with conviction anymore, thus no statesmen with gravitas - we're still waiting for that "cometh the hour, cometh the (wo)man" scenario!

[LymmParent]

Oh please, Obs. We've seen all the other options - dictators, military rule, Czars, Kings, Queens, Presidents, Communism, Socialism, you name it. Once again, it's not the system - it's people in general. Any kind of power attracts exactly the wrong sort of person to be trusted with it. So the best we can do is have a system that limits the amount given to any one person and allows for lots of arguing and voting. We're stuck with them!

[observer]

hence you get the Governments you deserve!