Nursing Degrees?

[observer]

Plans to require SRNs to be University qualified are now being hailed by Government: hang on a minute - arn't Doctors qualified with a "medical degree" - so could this be a move to compensate for a lack of Doctors? Will the new degree improve nursing responsivness and empathy to the relatively trivial concerns of patients, will it improve bed pan cleaning, bed making or general hospital hygene or will it create another tranche of Hospital Management and create another tranche of lower beings that used to be called "nurses"? [/code]

[Bazj]

Obs.... you obviously don't know about nursing these days..... nurses don't make beds, nor do they clean bed pans

[Ian]

I thought there was already problems recruiting nursing staff into the NHS. Surely raising the bar like this will only lead to an increased shortage. Obtaining higher qualifications doesn`t necessarily make a better nurse. Think Obs has hit the nail on the head, a way of making up the shortage of Doctors.

[LymmParent]

All English nurses currently have to study for either a degree or a diploma to be SRNs. At present about 80% go for the diploma. Both take 3 years. Wales already has degree-only and Scotland is just about to, so it's not actually that radical a move and hasn't affected care in Wales so far. As long as the four year switchover is managed so nobody suffers hardship over it, then I don't see the issue. I doubt it'll make any visible difference to patients in terms of care and compassion either, because the same people will be entering nursing - they'll just defintely all be on the degree course that they might have chosen anyway.

[observer]

Err NO; they'll take up the jobs that "nurses" used to do, like cleaning th bed pans, making the beds and actually empathising with patients - but they'll invent another title for it - meanwhile, the "qualified" "nurses" will assume admin roles and no doubt require higher pay scales - and the bulls**t goes on and on!

[Bazj]

Obs.... you would make a terrible nurse because you obviously don't know your a**e from your elbow.... nurses do not change bed pans or make the beds anymore.

 

They may have done when Kenneth Williams was doing the oooeerrr Matron stuff, but that was a long time ago.

 

Do try and learn a little about the stuff you spout on about before you spout on about it!

[wolfie]

nurses do not change bed pans or make the beds anymore

 

So who does? and what do nurses do?

 

I know in the case of teaching assistants in special schools that those with a degree no longer change nappies or clean art equipment etc because they are too busy teaching.

[harry hayes]

They did the same with the police. Recruited so many academics that they have no-where to go after the promises inferred didn,t come to pass, and those left behind become resentful. Someone has to work the beat and too often academics don,t have as much common sense as a chap that's been in the army or worked in a factory.

Nursing is a bit more technical these days, but not that much so. I think we will end up with too many would be chiefs who will end up as dis-satisfied indians.

 

Happy days

[observer]

Baz; check the dictionary definition of "nurse" - cos some folk still do it - but maybe they now call them something else - and pay them less?!

[Bazj]

Baz; check the dictionary definition of "nurse" - cos some folk still do it - but maybe they now call them something else - and pay them less?!

 

Well if you bother to find out instead of just trying to be a clever dick and checking the dictionary definitions (try looking up "justice" and you will see that the dictionary definition of that word has no resemblence of what we get these days....), they now have ward carers who look after the personal cleanliness and hygiene of the patients and the nurses administer drugs and carry out the medical care side of things.

 

The doctors turn up once a day or whatever and tell the nurses and sisters what care to administer. there are no matrons anymore so the sisters have evolved into that role and the nurses role has moved up and away from cleaning bedpans and that sort of stuff. Carers carry out some of the tasks that nurses used to do

[observer]

Thus proving what I've been saying - it's a shuffle up the ladder, and "Ward carers" are now doing the real "nursing" job - yer know; Lady with the lamp and all that!

[LymmParent]

SRNs will be doing the same job as they do now. It's not a shuffle of anything. Instead of having some nurses on degree courses to become State Registered Nurses and some on diploma courses for the same title, everyone will do the same course - the degree. That's all. Just a standardisation of training within the profession - one that's already in place in Wales and happening in Scotland.

[Lt Kije]

Sorry Obs Baz is completely right, Bed pans are changed by auxiliaries these days

[observer]

So I;ll call the "auxilleries" "nurse" then !

[Bazj]

Sorry Obs Baz is completely right,

 

{falls off chair}

[Paul Kennedy]

Sorry Obs Baz is completely right,

 

{falls off chair}

 

Will you need to be looked after by a nurse

[wolfie]

So if you need a bed pan in hossie do you shout NURSE !!! or AUXILLARY !!!

[Lt Kije]

You can shout what ever you want, but most of the time it will not be a trained nurse that hands you the loo roll

 

 

Baz

 

Hope your back is all right, its not good falling off a chair

[wolfie]

So at what point during a stay in hospital does a nurse take over from an auxillary?

[Bazj]

When handling and administering drugs, applying dressings etc. The auxilliaries do the lifting and shifting of patients and their aftermath. They lay out dead bodies ready for removal to the morgue (i.e. the auxilliaries do all the nasty stuff!!)

[Lt Kije]

Baz watch that chair I couldn't have put it better myself

 

What a team

[Bazj]

Baz watch that chair I couldn't have put it better myself

 

What a team

 

 

I need another drink!!

[observer]

You probably need a nurse now!

[Lt Kije]

Obs get the bed pan

[observer]

.. need a chit to get one from stores!