NATO war with Russia -

[Observer II]

Seems the emotional bandwagon over Ukrainian refugees is lapsing,  with reports of some now reporting as homeless, as their hosts run out sympathy or money and kick them out.   With all the hotels now full of illegals, seems these genuine refugees are now on the streets, ready to welcome the sunami of their fellow refugees this Winter.  

[Bill]

That’s understandable and it’s been happening for some time. There’s probably a lot of families still prepared help these people so it’s unlikely we’ll see too many on the streets. If it came to it though, I’d take a couple in, although I think Mrs Green might have other thoughts.

What’s happening over there is so wrong and ordinary people are suffering badly. I suppose it depends on how charitable people are but unfortunately these days, a lot would prefer to say it’s not their problem.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

The fact is, that we currently have immigration overload,  which is causing acute pressures on housing,  which sees young indigenous families without hope of buying a home or renting one.  Those immigrants that bring money with them, such as Russian Oligarchs or Hong Kong  Chinese can secure housing,  others are prioritised for social housing ahead of locals, while hotels are being taken up by illegals.   This leaves genuine "refugees" like the Ukrainians, to depend on the goodwill of those prepared to host them, a goodwill that seems to be evaporating.  So a mess, where demand vastly exceeds supply,  with the failure of the power grid in Ukraine,  over 6 million refugees are expected to move west into Europe, thus adding to the burden.   

[Confused52]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

 So a mess, where demand vastly exceeds supply,  with the failure of the power grid in Ukraine,  over 6 million refugees are expected to move west into Europe, thus adding to the burden.   

Writing it in a passive voice rather ignores the reality that the power grid in Ukraine is being deliberately, systematically and repeatedly destroyed by Russian missile attacks. 

[Observer II]

Of course, it's called "war".  The Ukraine has been encouraged by the US and UK to continue a war, rather than agree a peace settlement, almost agreed in Istanbull in the Spring, when BoJo visited Kiev.   Consequently,  the limited offensive of safeguarding the pro-Russian eastern zones by a "Special Military Operation"  has turned to full scale warfare, including shock and awe against their power grid; just like NATO's shock and awe in Serbia, Libya and Iraq.    The economic debacle of the West has resulted by their failed attempt to sanction the Russian economy.        

[Confused52]

19 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Of course, it's called "war".  The Ukraine has been encouraged by the US and UK to continue a war, rather than agree a peace settlement, almost agreed in Istanbull in the Spring, when BoJo visited Kiev.   Consequently,  the limited offensive of safeguarding the pro-Russian eastern zones by a "Special Military Operation"  has turned to full scale warfare, including shock and awe against their power grid; just like NATO's shock and awe in Serbia, Libya and Iraq.    The economic debacle of the West has resulted by their failed attempt to sanction the Russian economy.        

I don't recall such strikes being in the depths of a Central European style winter with the potential to cause genocide to be frank. Thanks for noting the facts but don't tell me any more Kremlin excuses. 

[Observer II]

😉   What's the time of year got to do with it,  the objective is to win, it's not a game of cricket.   Up to now, the Russians have been carefull to minimise civilian casualties, despite the Ukrainians using civilians as shielding.   However, they have concentrated on destroying the Ukrainian Army via a first world war style attrition, that has produced a 10 to 1 kill ratio, with the Ukrainians losing over 100,000 dead.   Meanwhile, the western public are completely fooled  by propaganda war of misinformation and dangerous attempts by the neo-Nazi leadership to instigate WW3 incitement incidents.    

[Confused52]

24 minutes ago, Observer II said:

😉   What's the time of year got to do with it,  the objective is to win, it's not a game of cricket.   Up to now, the Russians have been carefull to minimise civilian casualties, despite the Ukrainians using civilians as shielding.   However, they have concentrated on destroying the Ukrainian Army via a first world war style attrition, that has produced a 10 to 1 kill ratio, with the Ukrainians losing over 100,000 dead.   Meanwhile, the western public are completely fooled  by propaganda war of misinformation and dangerous attempts by the neo-Nazi leadership to instigate WW3 incitement incidents.    

The propensity to cause civilian casualties is key; and Russia's attacks combined with the depth of winter where heating is dependent upon electricity supplies, even if those supplies are also serving military purposes at multiple locations away from the strike, are contrary to Article 51 of the Geneva Convention. That makes them a clear War Crime as Kremlin pronouncements from Putin's spokesman Peskov have made clear that is the intention of the Russian Federation. As for your response, as expected it is pure Kremlin propaganda - we have heard it all before so please make this the last time we all have to suffer. When I can impute Russian culpability from Russia's own statements and claims your attempts at calling Western media propaganda are irrelevant Russia is shown to be guilty by its own words.

[Observer II]

Ukrainian civilians have an option; to leave Ukraine and seek safety and asylum in the EU; as indeed the Mayor of Kiev has advised them to do.  This silly play on legal niceties is typical of western propaganda, when they're losing the fight.   The US is determined to continue this war to the last Ukrainian, and indeed, has been prepared to sacrifice the safety of German civilians with no energy this Winter, due to their sabotage of the pipeline from Russia; then to add insult to injury, has proceeded to sell LPG to Germany at inflated prices.  

[Confused52]

The Minsk Conundrum: Western Policy and Russia’s War in Eastern Ukraine | Chatham House – International Affairs Think Tank

I found this explanation of what the origins of the war were from before the existing hostilities. It is interesting in that today Russia has said the the failures of the Minsk agreements are what made it take action this time. The Chatham House article explains that it is actually France and Germany that caused the instability  which is the link to why Merkel saying that she wanted Minsk to give Ukraine time to stabilize has made Russia/Peskov speak out, effectively blaming Germany for the conflict.  Russia blames anyone and everyone at sometime which demonstrates that their statements about NATO being the problem is nonsense. The real cause is clearly explained in this article. 

Obviously I post it for the benefit of anyone other than Obs, who follows the Russian line to the letter as is he is entitled to.

[Observer II]

Not the Russian line but the truth.  Merkle has now admitted that the Minsk Agreement was a deliberate deception, designed to give Ukraine time to build up it's Armed Forces, ready to occupy dissident areas in the Donbass. They've been shelling civilians in Donesk since 2014.  It should not be forgotten, that the legitimate Gov of Ukraine was overthrown by CIA sponsored coup, using armed neo-Nazi militias, in Kiev.   Still, we're past that now,  NATO and the EU have totally miscalculated, the economic sanctions have had next to no effect on the Russian economy, but have proved disasterous for the West.   The Germans collect scraps of wood to burn, while the Yanks, having blown up their oil pipeline, now sell them LPG at inflated prices, while enticing their major industries to move to the USA.   The Ukrainian Army has been bled white, losing over 100,000 DEAD.    The Russian mobilisation has delivered over 300,000 fresh troops to the front, which will no doubt be advancing, at least to the Dneiper as the new boundary, and on Odessa.   Whether they will advance further, to the Polish border will risk a clash with the Polish Army, who will no doubt be moving in to take their historic territory in W/Ukraine. Having said that, over 10,000 Poles have donned Ukrainian uniforms to fight the Russians, and over 5,000 have been killed to-date.   To add to the woes of the West, an estimated 6million refugees will be fleeing the cold, into the EU, and no doubt some will find their way to the UK, to see if we have any hotels left vacant by the illegals !        💀

[Observer II]

The latest NATO attempt to salvage the fortunes of the Kiev Regime, by supplying Western tanks to Ukraine;  simply ignores military and political reality.   The idea that a specific type of weapon can make a difference is clearly ignoring reality.   The German tanks will not be available until March, and the US tanks even longer;  both are more sophisticated than current Ukrainian tanks and require more training and higher maintainance  levels, and the thing that makes a weapon lethal on the battle field is the level of crew training, not the weapon itself.  Meanwhile, the Kiev Regime have attempted a purge of the corrupt officials of the Zelinski Gov; with $millions of western aid money and equipment having been salted away by corrupt officials, no doubt in preparation for their escape to retirement in the West.     

[Observer II]

Seems Seymour Hirsh, has published in detail, the US act of war, on Germany and Russia, by blowing up the Nordstream pipeline, in co=operation with the Norwegians of all people.   A totally unconstitutional act by the POTUS, sidestepping Congress, who's lack of scrutiny on the matter, indicates complicity.  Not a peep in the MSM about it, who continue feed the public with pro-Ukrainian propaganda.     😠

[Bill]

With all the events occurring in the news now, I’m not surprised they haven’t bothered reporting on accusations made by some obscure journalist who seems to have put two and two together and come up with five. He may eventually be proved right but as it stands now it’s little more than speculation.

While on the war situation, I think it’s right that the west doesn’t supply aircraft to Ukraine as that could lead to an escalation of hostilities, especially if the Ukrainians start to use them over their borders which they could very easily do.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

Hirsh is a long standing and well respected journalist in Washington,  who broke the stories of the MI li  massacre and the Pentagon papers; his sources will be from within the Washington swamp, so impeccable.  Biden is clearly in this up to his neck, and the scary thing is,  we're being led by  this demented old man to a possible WW3.     😠

[Bill]

Well, I’ve never heard of him, but from what I did read on the interweb, there’s still no concrete proof, just more speculation, so I’m not in the least bit surprised that the MSM didn’t covering his story. Maybe they’ll save it for a quiet news day, but for now there are far more important things going on around the world for the media to report on.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

Don't think there's anything more important than a slide into WW3, which would prove terminal for humanity.  The US deliberately engineered this situation from the beginning, when it sponsored a coup in Kiev, then allowed the slaughter of Russians in the Donbass as part of an ethnic cleansing policy, then colluded with the West in false support for the Minsk Agreement, designed to allow time to build up their Army.   The US doesn't care a dot for Ukraine, it is merely a vehicle for bleeding out the Russian Army; the objective being, with economic sanctions, to destabilise the Putin Regime and destroy Russia.  They have failed, but continue to offer everything short of actual physical intervention to keep the war alive, whilst the Ukrainians pay the price in blood.   Their allies in Europe are being used like toilet paper,  they have attacked the German energy supplies, an act of war, and we are being brainwashed by our MSM to go along with it.       😠