Immigration?

[observer]

The EU allows the free movement of labour to'from anywhere within the member states - hence the surge in E/Europeans. They (this Gov) are trying to bring in an Australian style points system, which should favour those non-EU immigrants with the required skills (from the USA ETC), rather than those coming in to "sign on". However, because they havn't had a systematic method of counting them in and counting them out, or of knowing who they are, we're stuck with (only estimates) of millions of immigrants, who are overloading Local Council Services, without any additional financial help from central Government. Bottom Line: we have to thank the EU for this and a Government that created an "open door" policy without thinking through the consequences; probably their biggest incompetance todate.

[tonymaillman]

Which as usual basically adds up to one word ................. BULLSH*T !!! .......... just one small point about that though, if the ruling is on EU members only to be 'open' ......... why so many from further East who AREN'T EU ?????!!!!! and how about the first ruling that should be in the agenda in future ? i.e. you are ONLY allowed into this country if you can speak the language !! how much is it costing to have interpretors, signage etc etc etc to be done because we are 'bowing down' to minority spoken languages ??!! either you speak how we do or NAFF OFF !!

[observer]

Totally agree, that's why I raised the topic and have been banging on about it ever since; there's no logic, no planning in any of this; if the UK was a night club, it would have been closed down for elf and safety reasons!

[observer]

Seems there `are still an estimated 500,000 "illegal" immigrants in the UK; and the Government are threatening Employers with the "hurdles advert" saying they need a license and a responsibility to report "illegals" to the Authorities. Errm, well I've just watched a piece on Newsnight made by an ex-illegal immigrant; which showed that a series of forged documentation (incl passport), could be purchased for around ?500 and supplied within a couple of days. These forged documents are sufficient to fool any average Employer; and indeed, in some cases, the "Employer" can be an "illegal" immigrant. I noticed that "protesters" in Beijing were quickly whisked away, back to where they came from, so if they can do it, why can't we? Ooops forgot, it's that Yuman Rights thingy isn't it!

[Bazj]

I have a simple solution.... don't employ foreigners. They will soon get the message!!

[wolfie]

I have a simple solution.... don't employ foreigners. They will soon get the message!!

 

So that will be the end of the construction industry and the NHS as we know it ............. smart

[observer]

Well they could start with an English Test; then we may get Doctors etc that you can understand what they are saying! The ex-illegal immigrant who presented the prog, made a point: these economic migrants see the UK on TV, see it as a land relatively full of milk and honey AND benefits; and travel half way round the world to get here. We're giving ?millions in aid to these countries, problem is most of their political leaders are transfering it into their Swiss bank accounts or using it to buy arms from us; instead of improving the economic well-being of their people; so it might help if we started targeting our money to that end. Meanwhile, instead of the stupidity of "holding centres", with Human Rights Lawyers hovering round them like bees round honey; once apprehended, ALL "illegal" immigrants were IMMEDIATLEY flown home on the next available flight. Meanwhile, despite our dire economic prospects, our EU immigrants remain (albeit at reduced numbers); out-breeding the indigenous population, and raising the spectre of the UK population becoming the highest in Europe in 50 years time. Drinking sessions and breweries spring to mind!

[Bazj]

Wolfie,

 

the only reason the construction industry relies on foreigners is so they can get them on the cheap at the expense of our own workforce; which as a matter of fact is being driven out in the South East of the country in favour of gangs of East Europeans. Whereas before the UK based companies and contractors employed the foreigners; now the foreigners are setting up contract companies and under cutting evryone else and employing their own countrymen direct from their homelands.

 

That may be good for the end user but in the long term there are only two possible outcomes, first the UK companies go bust so everyone has to rely on foreign companies for their labour (which then goes up in price because there is no competition; just look at what is happening in the energy markets with foreign ownership) or all the UK contactors go bust and the foreginers go home which leaves us with a skilled labour shortage. Either way it isn't good long term.

 

The NHS is a totally different animal because most of its staff are cards in, long term and regulated staff; regardless of origins.

 

The good side of the foreigner ban would be that football clubs would have to have UK born players and maybe not have to pay them the obscene wages they do at the moment

[observer]

Fair comment Baz; and there's only one way to keep essential enterprise under National Control.

[Paul Kennedy]

But it depends on who is running it and giving the orders Observer, past experience seems to indicate that some decisions had political bias.

[wolfie]

Wolfie,

 

the only reason the construction industry relies on foreigners is so they can get them on the cheap at the expense of our own workforce; which as a matter of fact is being driven out in the South East of the country in favour of gangs of East Europeans.

 

You write as if this is something new. The construction industry has always employed foreigners because they are cheap. Before the East Europeans it was the Irish. And do you honestly think that if we stopped employing cheap foreigners there would be a queue of 'British' waiting to take their jobs??? I think not

[observer]

Paul, as I've infered before; Nationalisation can be "arms length" or merely majority share control; the point being that WE retain control over those elements of essential to our economic wellbeing. We have the current spectacle of a multiplicity of utility companies, some foreign owned or at risk of foreign ownership, holding customers to ransom with price hikes, without any reference to the social consequences of a market that appears based on smoke and mirror operation. We need to start looking after OUR National Interest, rather than acting as a puppet for US national interests.

[Bonzodog]

the point being that WE retain control over those elements of essential to our economic wellbeing. :

 

Well if your nationalisied construction industry goes the way of many other govt authorities, they will be actively seeking immigrants, human right & other such activists, so how this will help your concern over too much immigration is beyond me!

[asperity]

Paul, as I've infered before; Nationalisation can be "arms length" or merely majority share control; the point being that WE retain control over those elements of essential to our economic wellbeing. We have the current spectacle of a multiplicity of utility companies, some foreign owned or at risk of foreign ownership, holding customers to ransom with price hikes, without any reference to the social consequences of a market that appears based on smoke and mirror operation. We need to start looking after OUR National Interest, rather than acting as a puppet for US national interests.

 

"WE" no longer have any control over our National Interests as they have been subsumed by the EUSSR. The faceless bureaucrats in Brussels decide what we can and cannot have and do. And we pay handsomely for the privilege of being enslaved.

[observer]

Agreed Asp. Bonzo, since when has the "construction industry" been "nationalised"? And just what is the motivation of current "private" employers to employ "immigrants"? Despite the advent of the minimum wage, we have gangs of immigrants being employed as cheap labour, because that's the natural motivation of the market, to minimise costs and maximise profit; investment in apprenticeships to sustain an indigenous skilled workforce is beyond their myopic comprehension.

[observer]

Interesting: a cross Party group of MPs have had the wisdom and forsight to call for a cap on the level of non-EU immigration - and guess what? These beard and sandal, toga wearing, liberal Ministers have rejected the idea - talk about sleep walking into disasters.

[observer]

Following the campaign by ex-Gurkha soldiers to stay in the UK; it has been revealed that this Government allows recruits from all over the globe to enlist in thr BRITISH Army, and having served for four years are granted BRITISH citizenship. This exposes the absolute nonesense of any pretence of an "immigration policy", and it's no surprise that England is now the most densely populated Country in Europe. Whilst no mercenaries (in my view) should have any right to citizenship; if any qualify to be at the front of the queue, it would be the Gurkhas.

[Paul Kennedy]

if any qualify to be at the front of the queue, it would be the Gurkhas.

 

Certainly agree with that.

 

With regards to the wider issue of overseas recruitment into our armed services, seems it will have to continue since many of our homegrown service personnnel are resigning as soon as they can, feeling rightly that they are being let down. Local replacements are not forthcoming. We'll be recruiting from the ranks of the Taliban next.

[observer]

Well, given that we "buy in" most of our top soccer players, recruit Home Office Security Staff from "illegal" immigrants etc: I suppose it's a natural progression to employ "mercenaries" for our defence - we could even "out-source" the MOD! Wasn't that one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire - the employment of "barbarian mercenaries" to defend it, the yard dogs eventually turning on their master?!

[asperity]

My present "British" ship has a crew of one Pakistani, two Poles, two Romanians and two Filipinos (plus me of course, the token Brit, and I'm Irish!)

[Bazj]

Hmmm... a real life Lurrrvvv Boat eh??

[observer]

A regular floating UN! Just for interest Asp; where is the ship registered - Panama?!

[asperity]

Well as I said she is British flag then no, obviously not Panama, but actually Gibraltar.

[observer]

So I guess your between a Rock and a hard place?!

[observer]

Seems New Labour's Phil Woolass is thinking of tightening up the Government's Immigration Policy - what policy?! Over recent years, over 3,000 children have been found at ports and airports, ALL "ILLEGAL" immigrants - have they been returned to their Country of origin? Doubtfull, since 10% are from Iraq and over 30% from Afghanistan; so yet more for the UK lifeboat! Talk about locking the stable door after the horse has bolted!