Bazj Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Why does everyone seem to think that the west being in Afghanistan and Iraq and the likes will "turn the musslims against us"? remember who flew them planes into the World Trade Centre? they was musslims and they did it before we "invaded" Afghanistan, Iraq, Mali or anywhere else for that matter.... there was never any winning of hearts and minds because the enemy already despises the west, despises what we here stand for and will not rest until we are defeated. There is no resoning with them and no negotiations. They hack the heads off prisoners with rusty knives and film it to show on you tube.... faith and religion are what should be banned; not drones and other forms of "protection\" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 If that is the case Baz, Why not draw an Iron curtain around the whole of the muslim world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Suggest you look up terrorist in a dictionary That's rich coming from you Lt, in your last post but one are the following spelling errors:- Presise, Hense, civillion, casulties. How on earth do you expect to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 This is what happens when people resort to insults. you spit your dummy out like always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 If that is the case Baz, Why not draw an Iron curtain around the whole of the muslim world? I don't know what the answer is Kije.... but all I do know is that from what I see and read, the muslim lifestyle and whole ethos seems totally incompatible with the lives we lead in the west. Our tolerant lifestyle allows people from many religions to come and live here and to carry on practising their faiths whereas the reverse would just not be tolerated. As I have said before, my immediate neighbours are muslims and very nice they are too but they all seem to spend more time in Pakistan than the do here.... maybe its just me that can't get my head round it but personally I would not want to drag my family half way around the world to move to a totally alien country and rather than try and fit in; try and keep things the same as they were in the country I had moved from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 That's rich coming from you Lt, in your last post but one are the following spelling errors:- Presise, Hense, civillion, casulties. How on earth do you expext to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Thank you Wolfie, corrected!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 What's all the fuss about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Why? Read your post then read my reply then there will be no need to ask why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I don't know what the answer is Kije.... but all I do know is that from what I see and read, the muslim lifestyle and whole ethos seems totally incompatible with the lives we lead in the west. Our tolerant lifestyle allows people from many religions to come and live here and to carry on practising their faiths whereas the reverse would just not be tolerated. As I have said before, my immediate neighbours are muslims and very nice they are too but they all seem to spend more time in Pakistan than the do here.... maybe its just me that can't get my head round it but personally I would not want to drag my family half way around the world to move to a totally alien country and rather than try and fit in; try and keep things the same as they were in the country I had moved from. I could go along with that Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Interesting point Davy, can I take it that you now believe terrorists will stop 'hitting back?' I would expect the terrorist to hit back in there most effective & efficient way which is by way of remote control bombs ,IEDs , hi jacks etc..But what is a terrorist ? I am sure the Germans & the Vichy government thought that about the resistance movement ,or do the people of Palestine & the Arab world in general view the state of Israel as a terrorist state because it has taken over their lands . Basically one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter & it all depends which side of the fence you are standing on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 If that is the case Baz, Why not draw an Iron curtain around the whole of the muslim world? The world was a much safer place in the days of the Iron Curtain ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I would expect the terrorist to hit back in there most effective & efficient way which is by way of remote control bombs ,IEDs , hi jacks etc..But what is a terrorist ? I am sure the Germans & the Vichy government thought that about the resistance movement ,or do the people of Palestine & the Arab world in general view the state of Israel as a terrorist state because it has taken over their lands . Basically one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter & it all depends which side of the fence you are standing on . So you don't believe that terrorists (freedom fighters) will stop hitting back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 When we're talking about "terrorists", we're not talking about a Nation State; but groups that operate within States, using the general population as shields or cover to melt into. It's not about Muslims per say, but about extreme fanatics, be they some US Nazi survivalists, IRA dissidents or Religious extremists; all will be engaged in some form of conspiracy to kill and get the oxygen of publicity for their cause, however deluded. This war is ongoing, possibly permanent and of necessity, counter operations will be covert. Many plots will be identified by our security services, through intelligence led policing, and the would be terrorists caught, charged, tried and imprisoned prior to doing us any damage. However, some will get through and some will operate from based in failed States, where our normal judicial agencies are unable to operate. Therefore, it follows, that pre-emptive strikes against identified members of such groups (such as Al Quaeda), are undertaken, using the most suitable weapons or troops, to eliminate such threats in the most surgical manner, and with minimal risk and exposure to our own personel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Nowt wrong with that Obs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 That's rich coming from you Lt, in your last post but one are the following spelling errors:- Presise, Hense, civillion, casulties. How on earth do you expect to be taken seriously. When posting from my phone algy, I cannot spell check, and you should try posting from a phone, also cannot do smilies from my phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 I am sure Wolfie that terrorists will never stop hitting back so as Obs said governments need to protect their citizens & borders by whatever means necessary . The great problem is that terrorists only need to be lucky once to cause carnage whereas governments need to be lucky every time to prevent the carnage so we can all be thankful that our governments are doing whatever they can to protect us from the murderous acts of terrorism by whatever means necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 When posting from my phone algy, I cannot spell check, and you should try posting from a phone, also cannot do smilies from my phone Fairy Nuff! Lt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Well you've totally disarmed me Wolfie ! We could have saved 6 pages on here ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Night All!, I really don't know what all the fuss was about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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